Posted by [++] A New Way to Find Skulls!

🐾 Simba_Girl 🐾 (#35762)

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2014-06-27 12:08:03
UPDATE: Xylax has marked my idea with [++]
" [++] in your topic titles means it's on a list to talk about during Development meetings. I just recently started doing this so it will take some time to add it to all topics we reviewed."

I'm hoping it gets short listed to put into development and not rejected! Thanks for all your supports!





So I was thinking today.

What if we could find skulls on carcasses that have been eaten leaving only a skeleton?

This would work by using all the uses of a carcass to get a skeleton of that animal. Then you would have an extra button on the skeleton (much like the make rawhide button on the event animals). This would be not a event though. It would be like that all the time and it would only have one use for that purpose.

The button would say 'Harvest Bones'

Then you click it, it would do 1 of 2 things. First, based on how many uses you had to turn the carcass into a skeleton is the percentage on how you would turn that skeleton into a skull or 'harvest' it.

For example: You fed your pride a carcass that had 3 uses (based on full uses regularly not half eaten things with 3 remaining.)

After the 3 uses are spent a skeleton would appear in your hoard of that animal. It would have a 0%-30% chance of giving a skull of that animal. So it would be a random chance below 30% on getting a skull. (Ex: each carcass would have a different percentage that you use same or not. 3 uses would always yield you less than 30% but it would be rolling a random percentage each 3 use skeleton: 18%, 27%, 11%, 7%.... etc)

Secondly it would have the a random chance out of 0%-30% to give you a rib bone, or simply give you nothing.

Alerts: *green* "You just picked out a(n) Otter Skull from the skeleton! It is stashed away in your hoard!"

*green* "You broke the skull when trying to remove it. Oh well, you take a Rib Bone instead!"

*red* "You tried to get a skull from this skeleton and broke all the bones including the skull!"

Answered Questions:

Say something has 10 uses wouldn't it be 100% all the time?

No, its anywhere between 0%-100% as 100% is just the highest it can go.

Wouldn't it take time to make all those skeleton/skull pictures of all carcasses?

Its only if Lioden chooses to. They can use generic skeleton pictures and just name it 'Carcass Skeleton' and use the skulls we already have. All skeletons that would also have a previous uses somewhere in the title for generic skeletons ( Carcass Skeleton - Previous Uses: 3 ) or have it in the description for animals that have their own skeletons. This is just so you know which is which.

I have a 1 use carcass so that's as high as 10% for a chance at something. That would be very hard to do! What would make it better?

A GB item from the oasis! It would be called 'Skull Potion' or 'Skull Enchantment.' It would cost around 2 GB. When you use it, it gives you a drop down list of the skeletons you have. You pick one and hit use. Bam! You instantly get a skull as its a full 100% chance. As an added bonus you have a chance of getting a random skull decor! :) That potion is that powerful!

Hmmm.... Would that decrease the value of skulls?

Not really, skulls can be used for toys for one thing. If your lions are all moody and you have already interacted with them today it would sure help them not to run away. They can also be used to check fertility for all you mutation breeders out there. :) Lastly, if a crafting thing was ever put into Lioden, they would probably use types of skulls and feathers.

6/30 EDIT: Can you sell skeletons?

Yes, you are free to put them up for trade or in your branch. Though if you sell them to the monkey they would be only 1 SB. 7/11 EDIT: (It was 0 SB, but now changed to 1 SB due to recent Lioden changes.)

You can still get the random skulls from explore. I've noticed that they would be considered rare in this case since an otter carcass has 1 use. So what I found that mostly all 1 uses are already found in explore.

Tell me what you think and if you support. :D I'll add/edit anything you want me to.

This idea can pair up with THIS idea by koriva (#33823)

SUGGESTION BOX:


Timid ~Titanlious~ (#34553) : "May I add something?? Like say if your main lion's hunger is at 0%, the 'Harvest Bones' button would appear?"

Ari (#37314) : "Instead of a generic skeleton (if Lioden were to go with a generic image), a "Pile of Bones" might be more fitting (or a "Small Pile of Bones", "Medium Pile of Bones", and "Large Pile of Bones" based on the carcass size). It would be easier to make than a skeleton for every carcass and would still be realistic. You would still need to dig through the pile of bones and have the same chances of finding things. In reality, lions rarely leave a skeleton intact when they've devoured all the meat. They tear it to pieces and distribute it based on pride hierarchy. The bones would end up scattered or in a heap once they've gotten all the meat - at the very least not often a recognizable skeleton.

Perhaps also a chance to get bone marrow (I never looked at what that item does, so it might be too valuable for this). Lions do eat bones if they're hungry (or calcium deficient), but will usually crack the bones open with their jaws to get at the marrow. So if the bone is destroyed, they would still have the marrow to eat.

If they did make carcass-specific skeletons, they might also be used as cub-only amusement items (the biggest skeletons, of course). Letting the cubs play in it would either turn it into a Pile of Bones or destroy it. I'm thinking things like elephants and hippos that I could imagine my cats having a ball using like a jungle gym. Perhaps a chance to get a skeleton form large animals, with the default being a pile?"

Simba_Girl: I was thinking of that too. Bone Marrow gives you +20% energy. Maybe Large Bone piles can give you a chance to get Bone Marrow. 7/12 EDIT: All have a chance for Bone Marrow

Umar (#1901) : "You know how your lion finds carcasses to scavenge on in explore? Maybe, if your lion has 0% hunger when he finds the leopard's kill, he could have the option to try to get a bone or two out of it instead of it going to waste :)"

AishiCc (#32713) : "Would a small bird possibly grant you a feather, random or otherwise, with/instead of a skull/bone? I know a small bird like a rat would just be eaten whole realistically but some people also like feathers. Just throwing that out there."

Current Prize Mark Up From the Suggestion Box:


These are ideas from other people currently so people can get an idea what you can get with the bone pile idea. This is free for anyone to edit just have to tell me. This is not the final idea. Lioden can change what they choose.

No Bones

(?)
Birds: (Chicken)
60% 1 feather (?)
40% 2 feathers (?)
80% Bone Marrow (?)

Small Bone Pile


1 use carcasses
1-10% Skull
40% Bone Marrow

Medium Bone Pile


2-4 use carcasses
1-40% Skull
20% Bone Marrow

Large Bone Pile


5+ use carcasses
1-100% Skull
10% Bone Marrow


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Bump this if you support xD
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Check out my other ideas:
Hunting Battles (A Way To Use Stats)
Additional Multiple Hunting Parties
Branch Restock Organisation Feature





This suggestion has 1010 supports and 3 NO supports.



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Edited on 10/03/16 @ 17:25:54 by 🐾 Simba_Girl 🐾 (#35762)

abnova21 {MP} {NBC} (#35903)

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2014-07-10 18:44:56
Great idea...or maybe do like the flood where you could just make the food into rawhide...just pull the skull instead? Simple like the flood :)



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AishiCc (#32713)

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2014-07-11 17:56:17
Logical and well thought out, not too much added work, and completely skipable if a player does not care about skulls/bones.

Would a small bird possibly grant you a feather, random or otherwise, with/instead of a skull/bone? I know a small bird like a rat would just be eaten whole realistically but some people also like feathers. Just throwing that out there.



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🐾 Simba_Girl 🐾 (#35762)

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2014-07-12 10:33:56
There could be feathers from birds yes. All I can think is you can maybe get a feather or 2 from a chicken. I don't know any other birds you can eat on.

As for the rats and small rodents there was an idea where you could get bone marrow from large piles of bones, but I can make it where you can get it from all piles of bones as well, or just from the small animal you eat.



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thegameres (#31674)

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2014-07-19 05:53:55
Support It is a really good idea :D!



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Edited on 19/07/14 by thegameres (#31674)

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Posted on
2014-07-21 08:35:28
I support, it sound awesome



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Posted on
2014-09-15 14:44:05
Great Idea! I was just thinking about something like this a few days ago! xDD



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P a w s t e p s (#39167)

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2014-10-18 03:54:32
What if you named it 'Skull Enchantment' instead of 'Skull potion'. I personally feel like Skull potion might not really fit in. But anyway, I support!



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🐾 Simba_Girl 🐾 (#35762)

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2014-10-18 04:03:04
added :)



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Kristall (#24826)

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2014-10-18 20:31:58
OMG, that's an awesome idea!
*Support*



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Frostfire (#6934)

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2014-10-20 02:18:59
I really like this idea, you have my support!
I personally prefer skulls to feathers, can play with more of pride quicker with them.



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Alabai (#28971)

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2014-10-21 09:16:33
This is a really interesting concept- I hope that the LioDen folks put it back there in the 'lets do this' pile for once they start upgrading the game (like the awesome battle system!) instead of being so busy just doing events and bugs!

I think one thing that pleases me about it, is that if it doesn't please someone, they don't have to use it.

I especially like the idea that you could 'convert' food to a toy this way, or have a food source 'drop' the toy in random chances- anything that is easy for the player to skip or to use, is a HUGE bonus for me!

I look forward to seeing them tinker with this idea and maybe make it happen!



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2014-11-29 18:56:05
Support!



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11ls (#8777)

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2014-11-30 13:29:48
"Exactly, I don't think lions can eat the bones as well. XD"



Just adding if you didn't know already! Lions will eat the bones.

Bones that haven't been cooked aren't hard. For example, chicken bones that we eat meat from are already cooked so the bones are hard and dangerous and shouldn't be eaten; but as another example dogs that are fed raw meat will eat the bones because they're soft and you can eat the marrow inside. There shouldn't really be a "chance" at getting marrow, because they 100% will eat it and the ENTIRE carcass in the wild.

Sorry if this ruins the entire idea. :(



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Edited on 30/11/14 by Orangel (#8777)

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2014-12-08 01:18:05
I think this becomes an even better idea, as converting the last use of a carcass into Rawhide has been showcased already in two events! :D

Orangel- actually Lions cannot consume the larger animals bones- it is one reason that hyenas THRIVE as well as they do in the environment. They CAN crush and digest even skulls and HUGE bones like thighbones. They can crunch them up and completely digest them- which adds calcium to strengthen teeth and bones in THEM and keep them strong!

Any big cat will eat smaller bones of course, so I would definitely hope they don't allow smaller carcasses with more fragile bones, that is, to be converted to a skull or a bone.

They could even have a specific toy with a specific number of uses that came from specific groups of carcasses- for instance, an Elephant Calf Carcass might only be converted to a rib-bone or a "heavy toy bone" while a Buffalo might be converted to "Horn" or "leg with hooves"... etc



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🐾 Simba_Girl 🐾 (#35762)

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2014-12-08 20:26:12
+1 RottAndArtist :)

Smaller animals have a very small chance to get a skull. Like if the lion didn't get a chance to eat the whole thing. It would break more often. Even if this chance was 1% it would still make sense.



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