Posted by Decrease Pass Rate On Custom Coats

GamingGal (#18503)

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2013-09-08 07:52:41
Okay, so this is an idea that started when I read the following on the Maltese news post:

"We’re adding a new, very rare base, called Maltese. This one is rare and thus only found in the custom tool, but has normal pass rates along with its own hidden genes."

The part in bold bothered me. How can a custom base be very rare, yet pass on at the same rate as, say, a wild coat color? Sure, it costs 3GB to be able to add to your lion, but from then on it's anyone's game.

I've been looking at this thread trying to figure out the pass rate for customized coats. The information I'm seeing is indicating that the coats all pass on at the same rate. If you ask me, this is severely decreasing the value of custom coats.

What I think needs to be done is this: lower the pass rate on the custom coats. They are custom for a reason and are supposed to be slightly rarer than the wild coats. Apart from people's preference to them which pushes out most wild coats, they seem to be quite common. If the pass rate was lowered and the chance to throw more common bases was increased, I feel this would give them more value. After all, they wouldn't be as common.

So, thoughts? I think I worded this correctly.

EDIT: Adding the idea that Storyteller had about genetics.

It might be interesting if it was like real genetics. That to produce the coat needs two recessive genes. I'll just use Maltese as an example.

Say in genetics, Maltese is represented as M.

If you have MM (one gene from each parent), you get a cub that has the Maltese color.

Mm doesn't show, but carries Maltese. If breed to another Mm, you have a 25% chance of an MM (Maltese cub). Bred MM x Mm, you get 50% chance of a Maltese (MM) cub.

mm x mm means no Maltese genes so no chance of Maltese cubs.

Mm x mm means no Maltese but a chance for carrier cubs that can produce if bred to another carrier.

MM x mm means you will have 100% carriers who can produce Maltese if bred to other carriers/Maltese.



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Edited on 10/09/13 by GamingGal [Nyota] (#18503)

Graciegra (#3127)

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2013-09-08 07:57:14
Agree, I customized my male for get Malteses but now they are very common...



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Njaro [#TeamMenhit] (#19020)

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2013-09-08 08:01:39
I agree, GG. I like the idea of them being rarer and harder to get myself. The 'wild' coats should be the most common.



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Emily (#7115)

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2013-09-08 08:11:04
I agree so much! I only get mostly non custom colors from my oasis females which is all I have. I really agree with this! I love the maltese base which is supposed to be rare and they are everywhere and they shouldn't be! I see them everyone half customs. In other words I AGREE 100% with this idea!



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Pasha (#5512)

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2013-09-08 08:13:10
I agree generally, but I also think this could result in a bunch of common-coated cubs flooding the market... they have been SO much harder to sell for me. Maybe custom-coated females should have lower fertility rates or something?



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GamingGal (#18503)

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2013-09-08 09:12:44
I respect your opinion Pasha, but so what if a bunch of common-coated cubs flood the market? They can either be chased (which honestly would HELP the economy), or sold based off high stats/markings and the owner could customize them later. After all, common-coated cubs SHOULD be more common, hence the word common.



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2013-09-08 18:32:56
You got support from me!



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Lizzle (#4254)

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2013-09-09 03:48:32
I do see your point, but I personally disagree with this, at least for the moment. It would make it more difficult for people to make money from studding out their custom lions if they had been made with a rare coat color. I would not pay a higher stud fee to breed with a lion with a rare coat color that has a much lower chance of passing on that rare coat color, and I know a lot of others wouldn't either.

I do think that perhaps some future "rare" coat colors could be slightly more difficult to pass on to offspring, but perhaps only slightly?



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2013-09-09 09:31:16
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2013-09-09 11:09:53
@GamingGal: I believe what Pasha is trying to say is that even more unwanted cubs would flood the game. And to your second statement, since the rare coats would be harder to get, I can bet that almost NO one would chase their common-coated cubs anymore (which would HARM the economy) because they'd be the best chance at earning any money cubs-wise - therefore more people would try and sell them.

I also agree with Lizzle's point about studs... I wouldn't pay any person to let me breed with their male if I couldn't hardly get a rare coat out of the deal. That'd basically be what... 250-800 SB or so for a common-coated cub or two? No thank you.

However, I am willing to agree that the common coats should be more common. Hence the word "common", but perhaps only a little more common... not as drastically as your post makes the idea out to be.



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2013-09-09 11:11:46
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GamingGal (#18503)

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2013-09-09 11:19:45
@Jokha -- Ah, okay, I see now. I see the problem of this, but you must understand that I'm not saying the chance of getting a custom coat would be down to 5% or anything. I was thinking more like around 33% or something, that way 1 out of every 3 cubs would have a custom coat. Frankly, I think any percentage would be better than how common they are now.



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Njaro [#TeamMenhit] (#19020)

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2013-09-09 21:48:22
It might be interesting if it was like real genetics. That to produce the coat needs two recessive genes. I'll just use Maltese as an example.

Say in genetics, Maltese is represented as M.

If you have MM (one gene from each parent), you get a cub that has the Maltese color.

Mm doesn't show, but carries Maltese. If breed to another Mm, you have a 25% chance of an MM (Maltese cub). Bred MM x Mm, you get 50% chance of a Maltese (MM) cub.

mm x mm means no Maltese genes so no chance of Maltese cubs.

Mm x mm means no Maltese but a chance for carrier cubs that can produce if bred to another carrier.

MM x mm means you will have 100% carriers who can produce Maltese if bred to other carriers/Maltese.

Basically Punnett Squares:
PunnettSquarePlainLG.gif

It sounds complex but really is pretty easy.



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2013-09-09 22:01:12
No. No. No.

I do not want to be forced to look at a shit ton of hideous yellow cubs. No.



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Njaro [#TeamMenhit] (#19020)

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2013-09-09 22:08:48
Well, not everyone thinks they're hideous. And you wouldn't be "forced" to look at them. Planned out breedings would result in little to no chance of not producing the colors you want.

Breeders have been doing it for centuries in cats, dogs, horses, and pretty much every other domesticated animal.



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Devil's Tongue (#12450)

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2013-09-09 22:13:48
Do not want.



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