Posted by Decrease Pass Rate On Custom Coats

GamingGal (#18503)

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2013-09-08 07:52:41
Okay, so this is an idea that started when I read the following on the Maltese news post:

"We’re adding a new, very rare base, called Maltese. This one is rare and thus only found in the custom tool, but has normal pass rates along with its own hidden genes."

The part in bold bothered me. How can a custom base be very rare, yet pass on at the same rate as, say, a wild coat color? Sure, it costs 3GB to be able to add to your lion, but from then on it's anyone's game.

I've been looking at this thread trying to figure out the pass rate for customized coats. The information I'm seeing is indicating that the coats all pass on at the same rate. If you ask me, this is severely decreasing the value of custom coats.

What I think needs to be done is this: lower the pass rate on the custom coats. They are custom for a reason and are supposed to be slightly rarer than the wild coats. Apart from people's preference to them which pushes out most wild coats, they seem to be quite common. If the pass rate was lowered and the chance to throw more common bases was increased, I feel this would give them more value. After all, they wouldn't be as common.

So, thoughts? I think I worded this correctly.

EDIT: Adding the idea that Storyteller had about genetics.

It might be interesting if it was like real genetics. That to produce the coat needs two recessive genes. I'll just use Maltese as an example.

Say in genetics, Maltese is represented as M.

If you have MM (one gene from each parent), you get a cub that has the Maltese color.

Mm doesn't show, but carries Maltese. If breed to another Mm, you have a 25% chance of an MM (Maltese cub). Bred MM x Mm, you get 50% chance of a Maltese (MM) cub.

mm x mm means no Maltese genes so no chance of Maltese cubs.

Mm x mm means no Maltese but a chance for carrier cubs that can produce if bred to another carrier.

MM x mm means you will have 100% carriers who can produce Maltese if bred to other carriers/Maltese.



This suggestion has 121 supports and 0 NO supports.



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Edited on 10/09/13 by GamingGal [Nyota] (#18503)

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2013-09-09 22:16:10
I use GB to *buy* custom colors for a reason. Because I don't want to look at ugly orange cubs. The end.

Currently you can breed what you want to breed. I don't want my custom pairs randomly tossing out mostly common coats. It's not even in keeping with nature.



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Edited on 10/09/13 by Lollygag (#7740)

Njaro [#TeamMenhit] (#19020)

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2013-09-09 22:36:11
I have to assume you didn't actually read what was written, Lollygag. Having them "tossing out random colors" was not what was suggested at all.

Actually, what I was suggesting is natural. Punnett Squares was the basis for the understanding of how genetics was passed out, done a few centuries ago.

I'm glad you've decided what's ugly and what is not. Just because you don't like a color doesn't mean anyone else does and I'm glad you've spent money to support the game, but that isn't really relative to the conversation. A lot of people have spent money on the game. We're all allowed our opinions and there's no need to be rude because someone likes an idea you don't.

And with the suggestion you "breed what you want to". Once again, I have to assume you didn't actually read what I wrote.

Custom pairs of the rare colors, which are recessive 90% of the time in almost every species, would not "toss out" any colors. They would not have the genetics to. A rare x a rare (Maltese x Maltese in the example I used) would always produce a Maltese because to get a Maltese they would have to be homozygous for the color.

You're raising a fit and being insulting over nothing. Simply read what was suggested and it is pretty clear no one is suggesting anything random or colors that don't make sense genetically. We're suggesting exactly what happens in nature. There's a reason white lions are rare in real life and why most leopards are yellow instead of black. Recessive genetics to produce rare colors.



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Bad Wolf (#1651)

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2013-09-10 03:13:36
SUPPORT! They are rare for a reason, maybe just cutting the odds in half would work! I have that I have to chase Grey or malty or black cubs because they are so common now



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2013-09-10 08:14:18
I'm not being insulting, and yes, I did read what you wrote, but that wasn't what is being voted on at the time of my response.

You're just being over sensitive. For what its worth I think your idea is a good one and fairly similar to how breeding already works, but more realistic. However it's not what gaming gal was suggesting when I voiced my opposition.


That being said, I still don't support it because the coders would have to create an entirely new and complicated algorithm that wouldn't benefit the game in any real way. I would rather they focus on improving game play.



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Edited on 10/09/13 by Lollygag (#7740)

Katzen (#6713)

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2013-09-10 08:17:50
The only thing I would add to this is that for Maltese to be recessive, it should be denoted as "m" - dominant alleles are capitalized. So:
mm - Maltese coat
Mm - non-Maltese coat carrying Maltese allele
MM - non-Maltese coat

And maybe Maltese could be recessive to other custom colors too?



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Leneka (#8307)

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2013-09-19 03:33:56
I support. People who don't want to put in the TINY bit of extra effort are just LAZY. Yes, I said it, YOU'RE LAZY.

Also, this crap about how you wouldn't be guaranteed a certain color, it really would depend on the breeding behind each lion. On their genetics.

With time, there would be good breeders out there who have true to type breeding programs. If you breed MM to MM guess what?! You'll get MM. The breeders will know if it's MM or mm or Mm and could easily post it so you don't have to "spend a shit load of time looking at golds"

Also, like with any breeding, the way to keep prices up is to NOT BREED. Yep, that's right. If you're breeding every single time your lionesses come into heat and so is everyone else, then there's going to be a ton of unwanted cubs NO MATTER WHAT WE DO WITH GENETICS and the prices will plummet. Also, for those with the rare colors, if we were to all exercise good breeding practices, we would only breed a very few rares so that they would always be rare ad worth a lot.

And for anyone who says that this is not a breeding sim, its only a lion simulator, let me ask you this, How do you make the most money on this game? -holds hand to ear- Oh, by breeding and selling cubs? -gasp- Isn't that sim breeding?!?!?!?!?!

Ok, rants aside, I'm in very large support of this.



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Powerlioness (#5194)

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2013-09-19 05:11:03
yeah what i really would like is when the genes of the lionesses are shown to u ! Like u habe a female lioness with a pure maltese mother and a pure albino father. she is albino which means her base genetics would be
Am ... ( dominant albino and reczessive maltese )
in order to get maltese u need to breed her with another pure maleteselion ( mm )



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Elumara (Side) (#7013)

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Posted on
2013-09-19 05:16:28
Doesn't support. Sorry.



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GamingGal (#18503)

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2013-09-19 07:10:59
Any more thoughts?



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