Posted by Pls READ before voting! - Marking slot changers

Kenzii[G3 Clean
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2016-03-26 08:52:09
We all know that the admins have decided to start polling on some user suggestions. Great, that's good as they can get a general idea of what users do and do not like in a place that more users see/have access to.

The recent poll features a suggestion that I have seen before and I personally have turned it down every time. For those who don't know or haven't seen the poll, the suggestion is to add a new item: the marking slot changer. The poll alone asks if this should be implemented, should there be restrictions and even goes to list a possible restriction.

I know that the poll alone doesn't mean the admins really will implement it or not, as ultimately it's up to them, but the poll gives at least a general idea, and idk about any of you, but I'm concerned about the poll's current results.

Sure, having a marking slot changer would be helpful for when you make mistakes, we are all human and yes they can happen. However..... there is a major downside that will outweigh any good that this item will bring, one that even the admins admitted. (I should make it clear that I'm not bashing or hating on, just point out the facts).

The biggest con, the one that should have been an automatic rejection for every thread for this suggestion had: Any sort of marking slot changer alone will maybe not completely ruin the marking market....but it definitely will make markings and slot rarity practically worthless and will make breeding know-how obsolete.

This game is not meant to be easy, the breeding is supposed to be difficult. This item is practically a handout, even if it is worth gb. There is a reason certain markings only appear in certain slots, and have rare slots. That's what aids in the markings staying rare or not as common.

If such an item is made...you might as well make it so we can pick the marking from an event marking applicator, or add all breed only markings to all applicators, because now a marking slot changer can move a mottled rosette to another slot besides slot 6, the ONLY current slot for that marking (that I'm currently aware of). A marking slot changer...well now you have a chance at a double mottled lion, something that only a special lioness from the raffles should allow you to do imo.

Getting to the point, this suggestion is mainly for admins to NOT implement such an item. Honestly, and I know I admitted accidents happen, but it falls on us to pay attention and make sure we add the right marking to the right slot.

I honestly do not want a slot changer item at all....but if you must add it.....please only make it for oasis custom markings and worth more than the marking remover and marking applicator combined, as those are basically a roundabout way of changing slots.

Please either voice your support for the admins to not add a marking slot changer...or if you want a slot changer, please voice why as I personally would love to know other than to make the game easier as like I said, this game was not meant to be easy.... If you would rather voice your lack of support to me in pm, please feel free. I won't respond to them, I will just submit them anonymously here for others to see the arguments. No one will know it's you.

Other suggestions:

"Hm. Maybe if it was implemented, they could have a restriction so that a special marking can only be moved to a slot it's already released in." - Katze

"Maybe make a slot changer an Event thing, kind of like the November marking applicator? Only 1 lion a year or really expensive w/ event currency?" - Detective

Thanks again you guys!

And please....keep it civil...we don't want this getting shut down.



This suggestion has 341 supports and 90 NO supports.



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Edited on 26/03/16 @ 16:34:09 by Kat [Septa FO] (#49358)

Kenzii[G3 Clean
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2016-03-30 13:23:10
@Amrik, I agree :) slot rarity helps make the breeding game and challenges interesting.



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Bezthiel ๐Ÿ‰ (#81210)

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2016-03-30 15:54:09
While I'm not sure I'd ever want to see an item introduced that would let you change any marking to any slot an infinite number of times, there are times that I just don't agree that slot rarity makes things more fun or interesting.

After lots of SB on studs and juggling markings and opacity in their slots, there's just no way I could ever achieve my goal because feline 6 dark brown only occurs in slots 1-4. That's it. I can't get it in the 7-10 I want. There's no other possibility for me, so there's no reason for me to spend more SB on trying to breed gold and brown "tigers". Certainly I wouldn't bother to spend real money since I can get only a few decent looking variations before the other six slots that can cover it up obliterate or ruin the looks of the feline 6. So there goes my dream of having a bunch of lionesses that resemble golden tigers.

Limiting it to just oasis custom seems like it would mean they might as well not introduce an item like this at all, since for those you can just remove and reapply. Other extremely severe limitations like making it available only for a very limited time (from an event for a high amount of currency or even just on a certain day for several thousand SB) and making it only usable on a lion once would be much better than open-use though.



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laura. (#36409)

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2016-03-30 16:00:52
I absolutely agree with Bezthiel. I honestly don't care much for 'slot rarity' rather what the marking actually is. There are many times where I haven't been able to create my dream king/queen/whatever due to a marking not being able to go into a certain slot. I personally don't think it will change the rarity of a marking at all. I sure don't go and buy lionesses because they have a particular marking in a particular slot, rather I choose them for what type of marking it is.

The other reason why I'm in full support of such an item is the frustration caused by trying to customize a particular design. Spending so much on a marking remover and then a marking applicator but even if you do this, it's not like you can add a special marking.



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Edited on 30/03/16 @ 23:04:53 by laura. (#36409)

Kenzii[G3 Clean
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2016-03-30 22:43:10
But it will affect the market. For the sake of beating an already dead horse, i will repeat the mottled example. It ONLY occurs in slot 6. The special raffle lioness girl is how they introduce new markings, or markings in new slots. If they add the changer, may as well remove that raffle because it will have lost its true purpose. That's how they have added Feline 7 to slot 9. The winner of said lioness can sell her F7 for more than I could one of mine because of her lions being more rare. There are only 6 slot 9 F7's in the entire game while there is 100's of slot 7's. You can always suggest raffle girls to xylax to push out a marking in a new slot, but don't ruin the market for the rest of us, because it will be affected.



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2016-04-01 15:15:42
I feel like completely disregarding any and all profits multiple users have put into the market of "rare slots" because you want to create a 'dream lion' is incredibly invalid. You can either :

1) Suggest a marking is released via raffle lioness in the desired slot.
2) Adjust the design.
3) Deal with it.

There are numerous players who have spent actual money trying to fund their needs for breeding projects that revolve around the rarity of slots. It'd be pretty shitty if they lost their largest/entire source of income because someone didn't want to suggest a marking to come out in a certain slot/adjust the design on their own time.



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Bezthiel ๐Ÿ‰ (#81210)

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2016-04-08 05:00:33
So what if slot changed markings had a much lower (or zero) chance to pass than naturally acquired markings? For example, and I'm just making up these numbers entirely, instead of the 5% chance of a normally bred mottled rosette marking passing, I change mine to slot 10. That gives it a .5-1% chance of passing, or maybe even can't be passed on at all.

Personally, I'd be willing to buy slot changers for every single time I wanted to put F6DB into slot 8 or slot 10. I'd still have to pay the studs with the existing markings whenever I wanted it to pass, and I couldn't just start a lion mill of all slot 10 F6DB to make money from. Any natural slot 10's would have to be bred from the "official" release of a raffle lioness still.

A 0% chance to pass slot changed markings isn't going to affect the market much-- besides people buying lions, buying slot changers, then selling the lions again, and I imagine people can already do that by customizing girls. But it does seem like it could encourage more spending on GB.



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Kaskii {Sunset Pie} (#67407)

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2016-05-21 01:01:21
Full support. I am all for the marking slot changer being implemented IF it has restrictions so as to not utterly destroy the market.



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Muffinrowlet ๐ŸŒธ (#37042)

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2016-05-21 01:03:53
I support this. It would destroy players' hard work if it would include all of the markings. It would be better not to have a marking slot changer at all, at this point. But it's implemented, it should only be oasis markings.

It would be kind of useless, it would be purely conveniance for those too lazy to buy a marking remover and a marking applicator separetly.

But yeah. Maybe it's better if it doesn't get implemented at all.



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Feral (#55655)

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2016-05-21 01:21:26
Full support. I actually had to remove onyx tips and re-apply it costing much more than the mark is actually worth.



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2016-05-21 02:01:22
I don't support a marking slot changer but Feral's comment made me think that something like putting it in the oasis for 1GB and make it for the marks that can be applied through the marking applicator would be harmless but useful. The markings themselves aren't worth much but can be important for a design and removing the marking and then reapplying it is kind of a waste of hard earned currency. That is something I would support. I don't personally have a problem with moving custom marks and I've done it to my king several times but I can certainly see the usefulness of an item with the purpose I suggested. Is it nearly pointless since moving a custom marking is already something we can do? Yes but it would provide a way to save a couple of hard earned GB for the players who are just starting out or are unable to buy GB through "donations".

I don't support being able to move breed only marks. I'm sorry but that's part of the challenge. If you create a design it's part of your job as a player to create said design within the parameters of the game. This is a 16+ game and I would assume that we're all intelligent enough to understand those limitations and use them in designs. That being said, should a slot changer be implemented both Katze's and Det's suggestions are much better than an item that gives players the freedom to move whatever marking to whichever slot.



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eig (#83978)

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2016-05-21 04:50:52
Adding a slot changer would only make things easier and less rare. The economy in selling lions is really gone to *beep* as it is. Everything that's been added lately has only seemed to make it even worse, so no support. Part of the risk of rare markings is not passing, so leave it the way it is. Mottles would only end up as common as dwarves. I don't like what's being implemented anymore



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Kenzii[G3 Clean
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2016-05-21 04:54:06
I don't know if people are reading correctly. This suggestion is for the admins to NOT implement the item. So if you support, that means you don't want it implemented. If you don't support, it means you do want them to add it.



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Feral (#55655)

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2016-05-21 05:01:28
When I posted I meant I support the use of it for oasis marks. I can see where that could have been confusing lol



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Kenzii[G3 Clean
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2016-05-21 05:07:18
@Feral, it wasn't just you ^-^ no worries.



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โ™ซ Opaline โ™ซ (#64648)

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2016-05-21 05:13:57
I love you for this. I absolutely, 100% agree.
Oasis markings are fine, I suppose, but honestly this feels so bloody unnecessary regardless!

This game is challenging. It's supposed to be so, and quire frankly, it's what makes this game so unique in the first place. It's superior to many online animal simulators because of it's realism, attention to detail, and the difficult aspects that come along with the game. We're supposed to work hard for our dream heirs and for our most stunning lionesses.
The game developers needn't listen to the whiny players. Implementing this will inevitably result in more items to make breeding worthy markings and high stats an absolute joke. Stuff like this can totally demolish the in-game economy.

The same thing is happening with mutations. The amount of dwarves and leopons floating around is terrifying. Aren't they supposed to be extremely rare, almost impossible to get?



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