Posted by -LOCKED - -ADDED TO THE GAME-[vv] Deafness

Nuka (Ferus Bueller) (#29060)

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2016-05-01 15:09:23
I'm not sure if this has been suggested beforehand (and if it has, forgive me), but a random thought occurred to me -

What if there were deaf lions?

I mean, I'm sure there's been real life cases of deaf lions, and I can't imagine they'd live long past their cub years, as they wouldn't hear warning growls from pride members or danger like hyenas or whatever.

But deafness is a natural occurrence and is found often in cats - usually solid white cats with blue or heterochromia (though typically in the latter cases, they are deaf in the ear that shares the same side of the face as the blue eye)

I asked chat and whether the mutation would be lethal or not was debatable. Lethal as an adult, lethal as a cub, as it wouldn't be able to hear danger or stampedes -- and if it were non-lethal, they couldn't participate in hunting patrols, as they may not learn to hunt properly.

It wouldn't require any line-edits, but the pride interactions would be different!
Say for example,

As you go to approach Cub, you see them walking away from you. You give up trying to get their attention after calling their name several times and still not receiving any response from them whatsoever.

You're listening to the cubs chatter, but when it comes Cub's turn to speak, what they say is a jumbled up, intelligible mess of noises, earning it giggles from its littermates.

Cub's running over to greet you when you spot another cub charging for it. You try to growl a warning, but-- Oop! They didn't hear it.


Edits:;

Regarding line art edits -- Local - #60356
"At the newborn cub stage, it would appear normal, possibly with young cub, too, but the normal cub stage would appear as a cub sitting, with a confused look on its face and head tilted, one ear perked and the other flat out. At adolescents, the ears would be slightly torn and flat out, the expression could be sad, possibly also sitting. If they make it to adulthood, they could be standing with their head and tail lowered, ears almost completely shredded" - 5.2.16

Regarding random deaths -- Gray - #65134
"As an addition to local's idea of random death:
You know how, in cub protection, there are random messages about hyenas, lions, etc?
Maybe they could add some of these to deaf.
"When name was out exploring, they were sure everything was safe. They went to get a drink from a watering hole and a crocodile snapped at them, dragging them under the surface, and drowning them." - 5.3.16


Additional Ideas! (6.7.18)
https://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=304429230356&page=2#304441151453
PLEASE check out this post on the thread! It's full of great ideas such as flavor and training texts, how to obtain the mutation via breeding, and possible looks the mutation can have!
What do you guys think? If you have any ideas, or simply aren't interested, post below! I'll be sure to read it! <:



This suggestion has 484 supports and 23 NO supports.



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Edited on 07/06/18 @ 15:59:23 by Nuka {Hey-Im-Grump} (#29060)

Scottie (Lights ON!) (#87211)

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Posted on
2016-06-21 11:04:48
Be cool to have a lion like me. There should be lions with Pendred Syndrome



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Juniper Dreemurr (#93882)

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Posted on
2016-07-16 06:39:18
The only thing I don't agree with is the shredded ears because shredded ears don't necessarily mean the animal is deaf, they're just a scar. I personally think the ears should stay the same and shredded ears could be a decoration added in along with deaf lions. One support from me!



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spots (#98320)

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Posted on
2016-11-08 08:05:36
I love the lineart ideas. I want a deaf cubbin :O



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Ivorystar (#100470)

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Posted on
2016-11-25 07:54:28
We do have the blind mutation, so why not a deaf mutation?

This is a good idea for a mutation, I support. Also I think the artwork of a lil' confused deaf cub with a head tilt would be cute!



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Bartsom (#55150)

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Posted on
2016-11-26 07:38:32
Support. As others have, there's already blindness. So deefness is the next logical choice.



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. A Z . [Quad Ros,
CELE) (#52601)

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Posted on
2017-01-23 16:11:52
I like deafness.
My boxer is deaf.

I also have had a deaf angora cross cat.

I'll keep this short. But in my years of breeding boxers I have actually had 7 pups be born deaf. I kept one <3

See, in most cases, deafness occurs when pigmentation is missing in one or both of the ears. Resulting in partials or complete deafness.
I love the new lineart suggestions. It helps visual the deafness.
But maybe even take this thought a bit further-
Again, not in all cases though, deafness occurs in white(or mostly/partially white) animals who lack pigmentation in the ear.
Maybe this cub would actually have a visible mutation? Perhaps a white "spot/patch" is visible on one (or both) ears and on parts of the face? If we went furthur we could even make the pigmentation of the inner ear, eyes, and nose a very light creamy white color?(or buff, that would work too)
Of course, I dont want to link this to the piebald mutation (which it kind of does) but in my opinion it would make much more since to have a deaf lion as a result of missing pigments. Technically, in a lot of animals *Dogs and cats in use as the example*, deafness can be linked to genes. I will link two; The merle gene and of course the piebald gene...

Now, maybe a cub is born healthy.. It can hear (adult mutation present) but over time they actually loose the ability all together. This is caused by, not lacking pigments, but actually be genetic. Maybe hearing loss runs in the family. No pigmentation would actually effect this. It's genetic.

But all together I support. I'd love to have a little deaf darling.



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Peter (#85099)

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Posted on
2017-01-28 12:34:55
I love the idea! I'm deaf in one ear, so to have a lion that could match me would make me so extremely happy <3



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MedusaTheFish
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Posted on
2017-04-07 15:01:56
My sister's car went deaf slowly over the course of two years - now she can't hear at all. It started with impaired balance and coordination, though I don't know if this was related. I just know that she wouldn't be able to survive as a stray. Perhaps they have a very high chance at death if they aren't protected by a broodmother right away at 0 months?



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Kat (#110162)

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Posted on
2017-07-04 15:26:37
I wanna hug it. I love this idea



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Flower Power (#108655)

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Posted on
2017-09-10 20:17:37
I love this idea



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🌒✨Twilight✨ðŸ
Œ˜ (#117584)

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2018-03-18 13:51:25
I like that idea @Imp (imp #61390). :o
I think lions that are deaf lions should be vulnerable as a cub, even if protected. But yeah what Imp said, maybe they don't die when they reach Adol and adult age? (Lethal as a cub but not as an adult?) Or either or still it'll still be interesting to have it imputed in the game! Overall it sounds like an interesting idea! Support



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Nebulax (#145201)

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Posted on
2018-06-05 18:29:55
I would definitely love if this mutation were to become implemented within the game. The biggest problem, though, with it is how to implement valuable-ness within the mutation.

Just to throw some ideas out there, I have some on how to increase the valuableness of a deaf mutie.

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If this feature where to be implemented alongside a deaf mutation, it could increase the valuable-ness of a deaf mutie. You'll see why in a minute..

The short summary of that forum, for those who don't want to read all of it, is that the Albino base should become less common and a bit rarer. Seeing as the albino base can appear at any time, with any base group like a mutation can, the bases rarity is low, and it's worth too. (The new Clear White base only lowering it more.) Thus, the base type should become a group-specific type of base or only breedable. Rarer, even.

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No. 1 -- Flavor Texts

Flavor texts may not be the correct name for what they are, but the point is the same. To clarify what I am talking about really fast, what I mean by Flavor Texts are those random and sort of rare texts that pop up at the top of a lions page that talk about an action that that lion did. Such as taking prey to an injured lioness.
So, what if deaf lions had special texts specific to only them? It could help out in people wanting to keep a deaf lion and visit them somewhat often in hopes of seeing the little "flavor texts" that may pop up.

Examples:
A.) You decide to sit down beside (Lion/Cub) and talk with them for a while. As you do so, you find yourself met with a confused face.

B.) A loud noise snaps you out of your slumber. You look around to find (Cub/Lion) attempting to stalk your tail, oblivious to how much noise they are making.



No. 2 -- Training & Training Texts

If this mutation were to not be lethal in terms of killing your lion at a younger age, your lion will be able to train. But here's the thing . . . Seeing as they are deaf, they probably would also have problem listening and learning when it comes to verbal signals and etc. Thus, training for them on their page would take maybe 2x or 3x longer than the average cub to fill up all the way. Along with, or instead, a higher chance of failing a training experience.
Though, in hopes of making up for that, they could have cute or special training texts that pop up only for them. But the normal training texts would also appear, too. Only adding to the mix of training texts. Possibly, even, when the deaf lion's training experience succeeds, the reward may be a bit more than average.

Examples:
(Climbing) Cub scales the tree with ease, having made sure to watch all the other cubs attempts and learn from their wrongs. In a moment of happiness at succeeding at scaling the tree, the hop around on a branch, getting dangerously close to the edge of a branch. You try to call at to them and warn them, but they can't hear you and ends up falling off the branch. Fortunately, they land in a pile of bushes, somewhat cushioning their fall.

(Climbing)Cub attempts to scale a tree but has trouble doing so. You try to instruct them on how to better climb a tree, but they are unable to hear you and learn nothing.

(Chasing) You decided to set up a race between the cubs. Cub, taking care to watch their classmates, was able to keep up with them when you sounded the verbal que to start the race.

(Chasing) You decided to set up a race between the cubs. When you gave the verbal signal to start the race, Cub was left in the dust, unable to know exactly when the race had started. They earned last place.

(Wrestling) As Cub wrestled with their classmate, they didn't know to stop when their opponent cried out in pain.

(Stalking) Unable to realize how much noise they were making, Cub scared away the mouse they were stalking.



No. 3 -- Looks
Often times animals that are white with blue eyes are deaf. Though, this isn't always the case. Animals that are not white with blue eyes can also become, or be born deaf. (Like .A z g e d a. | Cele Mott King (#52601) said.) So what if deaf lions have a higher chance of being an albino base with blue eyes, but still can be born with other base colors and eyes. But, being born with other base colors and eyes is a rarer chance than being born as an albino with blue eyes is, though.
That could greatly boost the rarity of a non-albino based with blue eyes lion. Provided that there is a line art change of some sort.

If the post mentioned becomes breedable, then when parents with the ability to breed an albino base, their cub has a small chance of gaining the deaf mutation. Just barely higher than any other base or eyes. Just barely, though.



No. 4 -- Art Sketches
Just some quick sketches of some line art changes.

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In short, it's just an increase in the fluffiness of the entire ear and the fur inside of it.

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The ears are in a lowered position. The fur inside of the ear is the same as normal.

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There are two versions of this one. The idea was mentioned by oleander [hardmode] (#60356). One ear is up while the other is laid back.

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This one is the same as the above, only there is an increased amount of fur within the ears. A mix of oleander [hardmode] (#60356)'s idea and Nuka {Hey-Im-Grump} (#29060)'s idea/design.

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A more exaggerated version of Nuka {Hey-Im-Grump} (#29060)'s idea/design. A little over the top with the fur in the ears, though.

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This one was mentioned by Jingle Beta {Smol Bean Lover} (#90022). Having no ears instead.


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**Note - I've never posted a comment on a forum or a forum in general. So I'm sorry that if I didn't correctly mention the people who are above. Also, a sorry if I run off topic or anything.



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Edited on 05/06/18 @ 18:34:12 by Chibbie (#145201)

Roman (side) (#148535)

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Posted on
2018-06-12 23:39:26
I'm late but I love the ideas for the lineart!



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