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Darklily (#5809)

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2016-05-07 07:44:11
I think...

So I'm in the process of slowly making and remaking ref sheets for all my characters(which I have 200+ of, so you can understand how long this "project" of mine might take XD). About a month or so ago, I did the rough sketches for 23(sort of 24) characters, finishing one ref sheet completely, and a few days ago I started to work on finishing the art for another. Here's where my problem is. My mom and my sister both saw the rough sketch, and their response was that it was disproportionate. Now I'm sitting here trying to reason with myself that it isn't >.<

The character is a lion of a species/sub species of my own creation, so some portions are purposely slightly off(will explain that further below).

Here's the process screenshots:
Rough Sketch(smaller than the actual size, since it was grouped with a bunch of my other sketches)
dar_1_by_roselynn1214-da1rqih.png
Base color, plus red lines to show how it would look without a mane.
dar_2_by_roselynn1214-da1rqi8.png
The above with the actual lines added.
dar_3_by_roselynn1214-da1rqhz.png
Mane color added
dar_4_by_roselynn1214-da1rqht.png
Above image with actual lines
dar_5_by_roselynn1214-da1rqhl.png

(And yes, my lines are sketchy, but that's just my personal style and preference.)


So my mom's comment was that the paws are the size of the head, but they aren't. Here's a paw study I did awhile back on his species. His particular sub species does have slightly larger paws also(their climate of origin is a Tundra, large paws act as a sort of snowshoe).
She also said the head was generally too small, again, saying the paws were the size of the head. The circles/ovals I drew in red are the actual area of the paw itself, and they are clearly not the size of the head.

What might seem off, and isn't, or is, but only slightly:
-His mane might be what's making it look off... it's supposed to be parted like that, and he is full grown, but the mane didn't grow in fully.
-The thumb toe/claw(meant for grappling large prey) on the front right does in fact need to moved ever so slightly, but is otherwise where it's meant to be. That's a side view of the leg.
-The right ear is off too. I only realized that after I did the red lines, and will be changing it. It's a little longer than the left one.

Honestly, I just need someone to honestly tell me I'm not crazy... that or help me make corrections/general tips. I'm slightly freaking out over this thing...



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Husk (#37594)

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2016-05-07 09:43:20
I'm not an expert but would you be fine with me attempting a red line? I don't see much wrong with the paws, the mane causes the head to look bigger, under all of that it looks fine. You may have to adjust it accordingly by JUST a smidgen, but it's not needed. I like the build but can explain more through a red line.



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Darklily (#5809)

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2016-05-07 09:55:54
Sure, go ahead. Anything that would help ^^ Thanks!



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Husk (#37594)

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2016-05-07 10:00:41
For the toe or dew claw since dews generally do not have any bones in them you might want to consider adding a basic bone structure, though some dogs have their dew claws intact with it being efficient for what they are doing.
I would probably make it a bit more like it looks like it could grasp prey.



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Husk (#37594)

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2016-05-07 10:00:51
:3 will do



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Husk (#37594)

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2016-05-07 10:05:01
d8a1ea7052ec47a05cff1a80ced78e5e.png Here's a gist on what I see can be corrected. I think some added muscle tone and definition will make the proportions look better. The neck to me needs to be a touch bigger, this guy looks like with legs that he would have quite a stronger build but not too different from other big cats. Of course this is your species and I could have gotten something off! But I love your piece here and the species idea.



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Husk (#37594)

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Posted on
2016-05-07 10:05:50
I also made the chest cavity a bit bigger.



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Darklily (#5809)

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2016-05-07 12:14:10
Thanks so much ^^

Here's what I've got "finished" with the red lines again to show where the body actually is.
dar_6_by_roselynn1214-da1syo0.png
And without the red lines
dar_7_by_roselynn1214-da1syod.png

I didn't change the hind leg up too much, as I think it might be the pose more than anything else. He's sort of slouching his back end. Like he's dragging himself out of bed, so to speak XD
I added muscle tone lines a bit, the best I could, as I'm not used to drawing them(when I sketch I add them, but I tend to leave them out in a final piece. I should probably stop doing that...). I actually used photos I've taken of various cats to help with the pose(namely the tigers at the zoo... or my cats).

I'm thinking shading helped a bit too.

Edit:
Fixed up the back leg just a bit more.
dar_8_by_roselynn1214-da1t2gg.png



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Edited on 07/05/16 @ 19:23:45 by Darklily (#5809)

TophatCheebs (#16535)

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2016-05-07 12:32:29
Hello I'm willing to try out a red line as well if that's cool with you?



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vickers (#80696)

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2016-05-07 12:32:32
I think that what might seem off is his pose. As you pointed out, he's kind of slouching, and I guess the position of his ankle is causing that.
The way his back is sloping a little bit reminds of a german shepherd, so if you look at the way those dogs stand it should be a nice reference
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You see how this dog's ankle is more perpendicular to the ground? I think that if you posed your character's leg in the same way it would look less like he's dragging himself.
If you have any more questions feel free to ask me..



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Mots - RP Loved🏒 (#5378)

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2016-05-07 12:37:22
I think the back legs are what look off to me too. I've noticed it in your other lion art, but of course this your own species like others have said. They are muscular because they help with running, jumping, etc. But aren't that thick toward the hips.



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Husk (#37594)

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2016-05-07 12:37:33
That looks a lot better with the definition! Definition of the form gives you an idea what is under the mane. One thing I like that you did is you drew the body UNDER the mane before drawing the mane on there is you catch my drift. I've seen a lot of artist apply the mane before drawing out at least a basic sketch of the body, it helps you keep your proportions correct if you do that.
With the back leg I agree on looking at germans, you'll want to apply felidae anatomy of course. In your latest I would define the hock, I'll sketch something quick up. The pose you're going for I can definitely make out, just some small errors with the back leg but you're doing well!



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Husk (#37594)

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2016-05-07 12:37:33
That looks a lot better with the definition! Definition of the form gives you an idea what is under the mane. One thing I like that you did is you drew the body UNDER the mane before drawing the mane on there is you catch my drift. I've seen a lot of artist apply the mane before drawing out at least a basic sketch of the body, it helps you keep your proportions correct if you do that.
With the back leg I agree on looking at germans, you'll want to apply felidae anatomy of course. In your latest I would define the hock, I'll sketch something quick up. The pose you're going for I can definitely make out, just some small errors with the back leg but you're doing well!



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Darklily (#5809)

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2016-05-07 12:55:21
OokamiRaven, if you think it will help, go right ahead.

From what you guys are saying about the GSD and the back leg, I'm thinking something like this is a little more appropriate position for it:
dar_legs_by_roselynn1214-da1t66a.png



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2016-05-07 13:08:08
Well, I meant more in the leg that's more to the "front". I think the other one looks fine. He should have one leg that's perpendicular to the ground, so it looks more like he's supporting his weight on his back legs.



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Husk (#37594)

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2016-05-07 13:09:52
:P comment moved to next page



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Edited on 07/05/16 @ 21:01:23 by huskpup (#37594)







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