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Darklily (#5809)

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2016-05-07 07:44:11
I think...

So I'm in the process of slowly making and remaking ref sheets for all my characters(which I have 200+ of, so you can understand how long this "project" of mine might take XD). About a month or so ago, I did the rough sketches for 23(sort of 24) characters, finishing one ref sheet completely, and a few days ago I started to work on finishing the art for another. Here's where my problem is. My mom and my sister both saw the rough sketch, and their response was that it was disproportionate. Now I'm sitting here trying to reason with myself that it isn't >.<

The character is a lion of a species/sub species of my own creation, so some portions are purposely slightly off(will explain that further below).

Here's the process screenshots:
Rough Sketch(smaller than the actual size, since it was grouped with a bunch of my other sketches)
dar_1_by_roselynn1214-da1rqih.png
Base color, plus red lines to show how it would look without a mane.
dar_2_by_roselynn1214-da1rqi8.png
The above with the actual lines added.
dar_3_by_roselynn1214-da1rqhz.png
Mane color added
dar_4_by_roselynn1214-da1rqht.png
Above image with actual lines
dar_5_by_roselynn1214-da1rqhl.png

(And yes, my lines are sketchy, but that's just my personal style and preference.)


So my mom's comment was that the paws are the size of the head, but they aren't. Here's a paw study I did awhile back on his species. His particular sub species does have slightly larger paws also(their climate of origin is a Tundra, large paws act as a sort of snowshoe).
She also said the head was generally too small, again, saying the paws were the size of the head. The circles/ovals I drew in red are the actual area of the paw itself, and they are clearly not the size of the head.

What might seem off, and isn't, or is, but only slightly:
-His mane might be what's making it look off... it's supposed to be parted like that, and he is full grown, but the mane didn't grow in fully.
-The thumb toe/claw(meant for grappling large prey) on the front right does in fact need to moved ever so slightly, but is otherwise where it's meant to be. That's a side view of the leg.
-The right ear is off too. I only realized that after I did the red lines, and will be changing it. It's a little longer than the left one.

Honestly, I just need someone to honestly tell me I'm not crazy... that or help me make corrections/general tips. I'm slightly freaking out over this thing...



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Husk (#37594)

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2016-05-07 13:11:28
:D Also the transformation tool is great! I can alter this simple sketch I did and then fix any bits that need to be adjusted to change the body shape.



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TophatCheebs (#16535)

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2016-05-07 13:19:17
Alright! here's what I got, I'm terrible at explaining things so hopefully this redline gives you an idea.
redline_by_ookamireiben96-da1t9gl.png



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Grimme (#79085)

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2016-05-07 13:48:28
I feel like your mom might be right the head does seem a tad small.
Also the way you've drawn the back leg shortens the body length making the animal look smaller. The "knee" has to be a little more defined than that.
What animal did you reference for anatomy? I could suggest a hyena?

SyoMdrP.png



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Husk (#37594)

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2016-05-07 14:01:54
Yes! That looks much better, especially the leg in the background.
9c0509111e86254d29936f4f8f1ca330.png So this is by no means meant to be a ref but here's how I sketched a pose similar. It's alright to be loose and sketchy in this stage, you get a good feel and you can build muscle definition this way.
I like to block things out and use the spine as a simple line to direct what the body will be doing and where everything is situated.

edit: Moved it here since all the red lines are here :D



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Darklily (#5809)

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2016-05-07 15:17:40
Cacc, I reference big cats.


Thanks everyone for the red lines. It's really helping!

I kinda just noticed the tail might be a problem too >.< Here's what I did, showing the legs in the background in green:
dar_legs_bg_by_roselynn1214-da1tm2r.png
The back leg in the foreground is further back than the one in the background, so I feel having the tail like this might make a bit more sense.
I also fixed a few other thing after I did this(made the head ever so slightly bigger. I still think it's his mane making it look small), but it's about time I go to bed, so I'll post what it looks like now tomorrow.



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Grimme (#79085)

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2016-05-07 22:03:21
The problem is the anatomy you're trying for this species has a sloped back and that won't be found in big cat anatomy.

You can adapt the anatomy of a hyena with a like, like in my redline.

But also everyone has been telling you, you must fix that leg not the one in the foreground.

Shorten the length of the leg line connecting to the body and lengthen the line coming from the body. Increase head size slightly.



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Husk (#37594)

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2016-05-07 22:29:51
It depends with the species, as long as the anatomy is functional it's a bit of a grey area. I believe you said this fellow is meant to be slopping correct? I think with more definition this could work. You may want to raise the hip area a touch. Depending on what animals it's based on anatomy can highly, highly vary.



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Darklily (#5809)

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2016-05-08 02:05:21
His back is slopping only because of the pose. He's getting up, and the back leg is stretching back. This hopefully shows the movement a bit better.
red_lines_for_dar_2_by_roselynn1214-da1v

The species anatomy is meant to be on par, or at least nearly there, with African Lions, but all cats have similar bone structure(with obvious variations[longer/shorter legs for example], and size of course).


Here's what I have "finished" now.
dar_10_by_roselynn1214-da1v6zm.png
As you said, I increased the head size slightly, and somewhat fixed that front leg, but I know it needs a little more adjusting.



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Grimme (#79085)

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2016-05-08 02:29:40
Alright so I found some references for stretching that I used. I wouldn't change the front legs they look fine.

http://footage.framepool.com/shotimg/qf/293022616-lion-cub-stretching-lioness-mother-animal.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EqlQ7MufFrk/TdvLHqDDsII/AAAAAAAAAD0/DW1_ZChCSOs/s640/younglion.jpg

Here's some redlining for your examples.

On illustration 4 you have the leg connecting right to the ankle and there needs to be a space.
The way you've drawn the back leg looks more like bear anatomy.

On illustration 3 the leg might need to be moved back further to show that the character is stretching will the leg in the background is fine in the position its in.

http://i.imgur.com/LGV1taM.png



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vickers (#80696)

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2016-05-08 06:42:28
Yeah, I feel like the foreground knee needs to be more bent, like Cacc showed in their redline. I think that should solve the problem. Other than that, all the other legs all look fine to me, so no need to worry over them anymore.



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