Posted by -STUCK- Mutation Suggestions Masterpost - Spoilers

Xylax (#4)

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2016-09-02 00:45:59
WARNING - ALL LINKS ON THE LIST MAY CONTAIN DISTURBING PHOTOS OF MUTATED INDIVIDUALS. YOU ARE OPENING THE PHOTOS WITH RISK OF SEEING SOMETHING THAT MIGHT UPSET YOU. THESE ARE ACTUAL PHOTOS AND NOT SOFTENED DRAWINGS OF CUTE BABBY LIONS

These are suggestions accepted, planned or considered with very high chance of success.
All approved mutations (or partially approved threads) receive a [vv] symbol. Duplicates I will just lock cause no point for me to have more than 1 of the same suggestion - don't get upset your suggestion is locked and other isn't - the idea is the same and it won, that's what counts!

If I did not approve your mutation it means I am thinking about it, waiting for more player thoughts or I didn't see it yet :o
2020 note: I stopped updating this thread too often, but did a clean up in May

Also, we have some mutations planned or are thinking about some, that aren't on the list, such as sub-mutations, rare conditions, spoilers that would ruin fun or challenges we're unsure of.

Visible since birth


Hairless - no game effect - Art change: Birth to Adult
Hairy Tail - no game effect - Art change: Birth to Adult
Ear Tufts - no game effect - Art change: Birth to Adult
Polydactyly - could give stat boost on birth - Art change: Birth to Adult. Possible pose preference to show off paws at nicer angle.
Brachycephaly - (1 mane version) - Game Effect: like Blind - Art change: Birth to Adult
Syndactyly - LINK - Game Effect: like Blind - Art change: Birth to Adult
Cleft Nose - LINK - no game effect - Art change: Birth to Adult. Possible pose preference to show off nose at nicer angle.
Double Ears - no game effect - Art change: Birth to Adult
Curled Tail - LINK - no game effect - Art change: Birth to Adult
Arachnodactyly - Game Effect: stat penalty on birth - Art change: Birth to Adult
Double Canines - game effect: hunting/patrolling/battling boosts - Art change: Lineart only, cub to adult.
Cutaneous Asthenia - Limbs that look like wings - no game effect - Art change: Birth to Adult
Leucism - like Achromia and just cover the lion with half transparent light version - Art change: Lineart Cover only, cub to adult.
Erythrism - all the dark colours have red/yellow tint - no game effect - Art change: marking recolours for all stages

Primordial Dwarfism - Game Effect: Pygmy lions, adults looking a bit like cubs still - works like Blind + cannot even breed. Dies early at 6-8 years. Big stat penalty.


Visible at Adulthood


Acromegaly - very overgrown lion, 1mane version for any type. Art change: Adult Female/Male stages different - no game effect
Overgrown Tongue - no game effect - Art change: different lineart
Excess fur for males - Hypertrichosis - planned as an applicator to match Overgrown Fur on females. Art change: Adult Male stage different. 1 mane version for any type.
Roman Nose - no game effect - Art change: Adult Female/Male stages altered. Possible pose preference to show off the nose at nicer angler.


Can show at cub-teen stages


Curly Fur - LINK - no game effect - shows at 1 year - Art change: Base only, Teen to Adult. 1 mane version.
Elongated Tail - Art change: only tail art altered - shows at 3 months - no game effect


LETHAL


Those cubs will be removed from Cub Training
Phocomelia - deformed limbs - dies at 3 months - Art: 1 Cub version
Progeria - aging super fast - dies at 1.5 year (can’t age with item) - Art: Cub and Teen versions, Cub Newborn and Young slightly altered lineart.
Amelia - lacking limbs - dies at 2 months - Art: 1 Cub version
Cebocephaly - LINK - eyes close together, squished face - dies at 2 months - Art: 1 Cub version
Noseless - LINK dies at 2 months - Art: 1 Cub version

Proteus Syndrome - whole body deformation - game effect: can’t hunt or patrol, can’t be retired into. Health messages through life - dies randomly between 2 to 8 years - Art change: Birth to Adult
Radial Hypoplasia - aka Squitten - causes short legs while hind legs are long. Cannot hunt, patrol etc, just like a Blind lion. Can generate birth message, dies randomly between 1 to 8 years - Art change: Birth to Adult


Minimal art change or not visible


The thought behind those is that those mutations could be caused by breeding to old lionesses or inbreeding via user suggestions

Cross-Eyed - Art change: could be eyes-like decors layered over the lineart, responsive to the actual eye colours - stat penalty - can't be retired into, can hunt or patrol though.

Hybrids


Things are brewing! This is kept spoiler-free.

Primal variants


There's a few more variants designed and named after ancient beasts or latin/greek words, each will have a unique trait or source.

Chimera issue


Chimera is one of most suggested mutations. The issue is that it would require two sets of lion information: Two bases, set of markings each, separate eye colours etc. Sounds like a very serious problem when coding the information - the extra tables have to be coded there, but not show up in normal lions. It is VERY difficult to do that.

Method 1 - code-wise the most complex way, not even sure if possible how I imagine - adjust the lion profile by adding another table if mutation is present to show both genetics - right side is from father, left side from mother, to make it easier just copy 100% of each parent’s looks onto respectable half (unless possible, just have normal bred looks). When bred, this lion would pass only one half of the genetics (randomly picked by script).

Method 2 - easy for coding, fast to implement. Make for example 10 versions of each half show up like Achromia - covering the original picture with a random half on top of the lineart. The genetics and markings show in a normal way on the original art, and the chimera half is just separate and not affecting gameplay. If bred, only the actual information passes, and the chimera half would not.

Method 3 - create a "shadow" lion, hidden on the account, that acts as 2nd set of the Chimerism genetics. While breeding, the script picks one of the two lions, either main or shadow. The "shadow" genetics could be viewable via a special button click. We're probably not able to add another lion info chart on the lion's page just for this mutation.

Summary: We're thinking. It's a lot of work. Not anytime soon. :(





Spoilers


Dorsal Fur - Full design - Added!
Phocomelia - Full design
Progeria - Concepts
Hairless - Concept
Brachycephaly - Concept

Note: I might update this from time to time



This suggestion has 3410 supports and 16 NO supports.



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Edited on 20/12/23 @ 12:50:13 by a Moderator

Readytest (#431796)

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Posted on
2023-08-26 15:33:51
A solution to chimera -- Make different variants of the same mut -- number them, and color them different shades and colors with different patterns like another online game I won't mention.

Example:

Chimera 1
Chimera 2
Chimera 3
Chimera 4
Chimera 4



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Savanna (#299126)

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Posted on
2023-08-28 02:07:05
I love all of these ideas! And I have a suggestion for the crooked tail, could it maybe be a scar? Like it's not actually a scar but you know what I mean. Like if a lioness comes back from hunting there is a slight chance her tail will be crooked by accident or if a sub-male is out patrolling his tail could brake too by an accident while patrolling and it would have a slight chance of happening.



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𐂂 (#164933)

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Posted on
2023-08-28 16:51:03
Good god I am SO pumped for future hairless lions YOU DONT EVEN KNOW



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Readytest (#431796)

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Posted on
2023-09-03 17:35:45
I would like a adult lethal that can be kingable. Iterally a cool idea. I see F.O.P being an adult lethal BUT able to be kinged.



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𝓻𝓪𝓬𝓬𝓸
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Posted on
2023-09-04 20:09:12
I entirely respect you Xylax and your decision to nerf these ideas is justified!! Thank you for everything!! That being said, here are my suggestions. (I understand it's probably very difficult to generate these into lions.)

Lethal mutations:

1. Osteogenesis Imperfecta/Brittle Bone disease: Causes bones to break very, very easily, and is also hereditary I think? Cub probably wouldn't survive far past birth, art could entail crooked limbs from incorrectly healed injuries?

2. Fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva (FOP): A condition that causes soft tissues to turn to bone, gradually fusing your body together. Cub also wouldn't survive far past birth most likely, art could be a very rigid, stiff looking cub.

Non-lethal mutations/maybe piebald??

This could also play into deafness, but there's some genetic thing with white cats with blue eyes that cause them to be deaf. From what I remember, cats with heterochromia that have 1 blue eye will often be deaf on the corresponding ear. That could be some condition/mutation, where the cub is born with something like achromia, just with blue eyes. Or...

2. There could be some specific subset of THAT mutation, or piebaldism, where there's a specific patch that goes over the lions face (like piebald patches over the nose make the skin and pawbs pink) that cause the eye it falls over to be blue, and in turn, render the lion deaf in that ear. Could operate like normal deafness, maybe a stat penalty and other penalties?

Like I said, these are just suggestions I wanted to throw out. I'm an artist and I know making the markings work with different poses, bases work, all that..I have no idea how to code and I'm sure it's very difficult. Much respect, thank you Xylax!!



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Kit (#82126)


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Posted on
2023-09-22 19:06:58
I don't understand why the Lykoi mutation suggestion was rejected because "that's a cat breed".

The Lykoi cat breed has a very real mutation. Foldies were inspired by the mutation that Scottish Fold cats have, and we're getting hairless lions in the future too (inspired by hairless domestic cat breeds). Why is this one any different?

I can understand not wanting to use the breed's name, but the Lioden version of the mutation could easily be called something else, like Bare-Faced or No Undercoat or something.



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Edited on 30/10/23 @ 09:51:52 by Kit (#82126)

Zligon (#352248)

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Posted on
2023-09-23 12:17:13
I think its more of a coding job for the lykoi, but yea I agree with Kit.



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Posted on
2023-10-01 23:47:50
Heya! Just letting you know, the link to

Elongated Tail - LINK - Art change: only tail art altered - shows at 3 months - no game effect

And

Arachnodactyly - LINK - Game Effect: stat penalty on birth - Art change: Birth to Adult

Aren't working



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Sad boi (#234077)

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Posted on
2023-10-06 15:05:22
if we ever get hairless lions I'm naming mine scrotum, I call dibs



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Edited on 06/10/23 @ 15:07:29 by Sad boi (#234077)

Kit (#82126)


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Posted on
2023-10-06 16:03:22
@𝓻𝓪𝓬𝓬𝓸
𝓸𝓷2 It couldn't be like Achromia with but with blue eyes because that's what Leucism (which is already planned) should be like, and Leucism doesn't make animals deaf nor does it cause any other inherent health issues.

Leucism mock-up I made:


Normal non-mutie clear white lionesses for comparison:



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Edited on 12/10/23 @ 05:07:29 by Kit (#82126)

Kit (#82126)


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Posted on
2023-10-06 19:54:58
"Leucism - like Achromia and just cover the lion with half transparent light version"

What does half-transparent mean here? Will it be like achromia but without the pink/red, or something else?

If it's translucent over the lion, that sounds way more like a dilute mutation than leucism. A black base group lion with something like that would look grayish, which isn't leucism but dilute.

Example:


PS: And also, piebaldism is a partial form of leucism. So it would be inconsistent if Lioden leucism were anything but pure white with the same color light pink nose/pawpads piebald has.



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Edited on 19/10/23 @ 17:22:43 by Kit (#82126)

\ Nebula // (#434371)

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Posted on
2023-10-16 05:58:21
personally think hairless should have a lesser survival chance if unprotected, they'd probably freeze to death if not



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Bingo (#328743)

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Posted on
2023-11-21 23:22:45
I neeed a true Bingus plssss, you dont understand its what im here for lol



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Alexandre (#410698)


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Posted on
2023-12-11 04:43:58
Xylax, the link of the double ears leads to a betting site



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DEMONKAAN (#382906)

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Posted on
2023-12-11 04:48:02
Jaglion best option



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