Posted by [++] (230+ Supports!) Custom pets: MOCKUP ADDED!!

Micah [Mandarin
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2016-10-31 11:51:21
It seems as if beetles have opened up a whole new world of ideas for the users of lioden.
Some people want snails, some want slugs and gazelles and birds. But that's all far too much. With all of that coding and art and time being put into pointless creations, it could take away from the development of the actual game!

But people still dislike beetles and still want their pets. So?
A solution would be to somehow create a custom decor maker for pets. It would be different from actual custom decors. Seeing as you could either replace the skins/images of beetles with creatures you drew. Now this does in fact serve no purpose other than vanity, but at least the actual artists of lioden don't have to draw new creatures every time someone wants a new pet.
We'd draw them ourselves. We'd put the work in and we'd create our little pet pets. If we can't do it because we don't draw? Commission someone to do it for you.

Shrike has kindly created a mockup!

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Now. What will this be?



I envision that these custom pet options (or skins, as I will be referring to them in the post), will be somewhat like the cub stages - an unlock-able feature that makes all of your beetles look like this, not a single custom decor that can be applied to one beetle only. It will also be like a custom decor in the sense that you, or another person, will have to draw your custom skin and Xylax or another admin will have to approve of it before it can be added to the game.

How it might look



Let's say you love kudus. Love 'em. You want one as a pet, but it alas it hasn't been implemented as a one. So what do you do? You make a custom skin!

You work for hours on this skin (or you commission someone to draw it for you). You submit it to xylax, and you wait with bated breath for it to either make it into the game or flunk. One day, you get a message - your skin has been approved! Now what?

Depending on what system the skins are going to use, it can be one of two or more things - your skin is now an item, like a custom decor. It is now in your hoard, and you can apply it to your account. You can also get more copies of the skin and sell it to other players.
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Hooray! Your larvae now have the custom skin stage and the adults now have the custom adult stage!
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In order not to confuse people, the "beetle" sign at the top of the page would turn into "pet". However, the species and the color of the beetle will stay the same, as this is a purely cosmetic look.



Alternatively, this could be something that only applies to your account. You would have the option of toggling this on and off in your den settings, so that you don't have to look at other player's custom pet skins.
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If you choose not to turn it off, you can see other people's beetles with skins battle yours!

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These custom skins would of course have to follow existing Lioden rules. No copyrights, no tracing, no art theft, etc. no animals that are too neon or unrealistic (admins will have to define that, hah).

Let me know what you think?


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Suggestions for rules!

1. Make sure the image is of the right size
2. A dropdown of species to describe what you drew, or 'other'
3. It will basically work like a custom decor
4. I don't really know what to do with the problem of having a min giraffe, possibly just exclude it from the list of species? You know, anything that is physically too large, or be able to have a custom size, with restraints of course, so your skin can be a tad bigger like if it was a meerkat or something. Or, just don't do anything, or little about it.
Maybe you could also maybe use a reference size for what species your skin is, so that when battling the other beetle will be adjusted to a smaller size. Like say you have a jerboa skin, and you use a mouse as a size reference.
The other beetle will be shrunk down in battle to a fitting size. This may be tough coding for the admins, but it is much better than adding a new species entirely, of course. -Zypheria

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Suggestion for display!

Also, as for the visuals of how the species says, what about the species is changed to the name you choose for your skin? The color of the beetle will stay the same in text, so it is still believably a skin. -Zypheria

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I think this would work better as a personal reskin (strictly cosmetic) w/o changing the statistical info.

Think of it this way:

Say that you decided to switch out beetles for spiders or something.

So if you switched out an Augosoma Centaurus; [Red Variant] for a specific spider image, all beetles of that specific species and colour (owned by you and other players) would look like whatever image you uploaded, for your account only. Think of it as a 'texture' that you could change to your personal preference without changing what others would see. All at once, you could see them as whatever species you wanted, people who haven't changed their beetles would still see them as beetles, and people who changed theirs to something else would see whatever animals they changed em' too.

Making them like a decor wouldn't be that great. Beetles don't last very long. I think it could be made as an expensive purchase that is permanently on your account. Something like cub stages where you buy a new feature. Once bought, you have the free will to change them and possibly pay to change the files after they've already been switched out for something else? -Xiinos

What do you all think? Feedback? Suggestions?
POSTED FOR SHRIKE 2.0 and BLUE PIGEON



This suggestion has 311 supports and 55 NO supports.



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Edited on 26/11/16 @ 12:46:06 by Caleb (#68002)

7TH (#56784)

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Posted on
2016-11-03 22:04:16
Weird idea but thinking of it as an artist - support. This might open up some new ways of earning GB or USD for artists who could open for "skin" commissions. Maybe.. not sure.



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Secret
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Posted on
2016-11-04 03:37:08
I like Xiinos idea!! I think it'd be easier for admins to do and the animals would fit the lioden style and all



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Micah [Mandarin
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Posted on
2016-11-04 04:26:57
Secret, Xiinos just added onto the idea~
Its all the same concept! Xiinos just suggested what the mockup shows.



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Fush (F6 Gold
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Posted on
2016-11-05 06:02:57
I never liked Beetles in the first place D8 I think its a good idea for a cover up almost for them but Not really keen on getting beetles just for custom decor :( I'll support it for other people but I'll prob never use it.



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Micah [Mandarin
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Posted on
2016-11-09 13:36:08
Thank you guys so much for you support!!



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Shrike (#99492)

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Posted on
2016-11-11 01:11:47
Please remember to read the entire suggestion before no-supporting it.



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Xylax (#4)

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Posted on
2016-11-21 09:24:22
My input now that it is under consideration:

I would implement that as skins for beetles + give artists a chance to bloom on Lioden more

1. It would work like custom decors, require ticket approval, etc, catalogue/previewer, ownership, sales.
2. No dropdown for species would be needed, skin can be applied to any beetles and doesn't matter what is drawn inside, or the colour of the beetle
2. a) We could maybe add "Custom Species Name" table to enter text instead, and it would display only if skin is present
3. Can be turned off like you showed, "Custom Beetle Skins ON/OFF"
4. No limit on sizes of the custom skin. We don't really mind a giraffe or a dragon, it's just a skin in this situation, we would like you to go wild here, sounds like a great artistic outlet
5. Artist/Owner creates skin and can sell it. The item can be applied to 1 beetle permanently. This would make the creation item much cheaper as well as skins themselves. This causes a potential issue though that i'd like to address:


Now, quoting your bottom text to kinda reply to it:

Say that you decided to switch out beetles for spiders or something.

So if you switched out an Augosoma Centaurus; [Red Variant] for a specific spider image, all beetles of that specific species and colour (owned by you and other players) would look like whatever image you uploaded, for your account only. Think of it as a 'texture' that you could change to your personal preference without changing what others would see. All at once, you could see them as whatever species you wanted, people who haven't changed their beetles would still see them as beetles, and people who changed theirs to something else would see whatever animals they changed em' too.

Making them like a decor wouldn't be that great. Beetles don't last very long. I think it could be made as an expensive purchase that is permanently on your account. Something like cub stages where you buy a new feature. Once bought, you have the free will to change them and possibly pay to change the files after they've already been switched out for something else? -Xiinos


We think it would actually work better if you just do a picture of your spider as a larva + adult, and equip to any of your beetles. You change just your own beetle, not whole species, you don't breed for colours/pass it on, but we could consider an option to check when breeding "Enable skin genetics" to pass on the skin, but that is worrysome for artist's business. Safest bet is to treat that like a skin/decor for 1 beetle at a time, but making the whole deal much cheaper than custom decors.

The issue 1 is that every beetle has different colours and different amount of colours/rarities, it's not always equal.
The issue 2 is artist selling the skin once and others breeding it freely without artist of the skin getting profit. 1 purchase can lead to the buyer getting limitless babies with same skin for free then or selling the babies to make the actual skin on market much cheaper than original.

I am open to discussion on how to solve that problem, though. I really don't want to do the beetle species with the custom species because it can get really complex and cause issues with copyrights/art profit, I'd rather do custom pictures only. If you have a new idea, let me know, otherwise we'll do skins.



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Shrike (#99492)

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Posted on
2016-11-21 10:10:30
Hi, Xylax! Reading over your concerns, I have a few things that I'd like to address before we discuss this further:

Our idea is to provide something like the "cub stages" option for out accounts. It works like a custom decor in the places that you mentioned - it would have to be run past admins for approval, it's not species-specific, and you would be able to sell them.

However, we were suggesting that after the submission and subsequent approval of this skin, you would be able to apply this skin to all of your beetles at once, not just a single one (since, as already mentioned, beetles don't last for very long). I'm not sure what you are proposing - is it a much cheaper version of a custom decor, but as a skin for a single beetle?

And we are definitely -not- looking to create custom species. These skins are meant to be a solution on many fronts; those who do not like beetles may create their own skins to hide them, those who like the idea of gazelle pets and bird pets and elephant pets can make them without having to create suggestions for a new species, and staff doesn't have to implement entirely new systems for a single additional pet. There are purely cosmetic and do not in any way affect the current game mechanics of the beetles.



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Xylax (#4)

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Posted on
2016-11-21 10:14:22
1. "Cub stages" for every beetle species separately or just enabling skins?

2. Does the owner/artist pick a species they want to upload to and what colour to replace for each?

3. What if the player likes 5 different species* and they all are for Homoderus Mellyi. You can only swap 1 species? That is a bit limiting to me, unless I understand it wrong




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Edited on 21/11/16 @ 17:18:54 by Xylax (#4)

Shrike (#99492)

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Posted on
2016-11-21 10:31:23
This is what I was thinking along the lines of when making my mockup: each skin can be applied to your account, not the beetles themselves. You could toggle skins on and off, but that's just a master switch for whether you want to see skins at all or not. The actual skin process would be for each species. There could be a kudu skin for mesos, a skin for augosoma, and a skin for whichever other beetle species you want to make a skin for. The kudu art could be totally the same across all 3 species, but we don't want to make it a universal, blanket skin. (since this is a bit limiting - what if people want to have both a kudu skin and a fox skin?)

The artist does indeed get to choose what kind of beetle that they are making the skin for. I think that they don't have to replace the colors if they don't want to, after all, there are a lot of colors for every beetle species. I supposed they could if they wanted? But if not, they could make a blanket skin for the entire species, like the way you can put different decor versions for different manes, but you can also put a single image for all the male manes.



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Xylax (#4)

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Posted on
2016-11-21 10:47:28
the issue I have with each skin applied is that they will collide with each other if you want to have multiple that work for same beetle species, because owners just pick 1 species they like, not all. That is overly complex to me, and needless, where we can just do 1 beetle skin for any species and colour instead. Which is more universal and gives more freedom.

I will definitely not pursue that part of suggestion - hope you understand my reasons.

I am going for 1 beetle gets image replaced with a skin you get/purchased.

I just want your input on how to solve breeding/price versus the lifespan of the beetle in that case.
Maybe each skin can be passed only 1nce in a beetle's lifetime breeding?

I would for now suggest that, however it might change, since I am just laying out an idea:
Custom Beetle Skin maker: 4GB + 2 copies
price of the copy: 1 GB
Owner sets the actual price of the skin
Skin can be bred/passed on 1nce during a beetle's lifetime, the pass is 100% when picked.

However that would make 1 purchased skin last forever, no uses to use up.

If you have counter-ideas or adjustments I am open here, however I really do not accept the species replacement idea.



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Shrike (#99492)

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Posted on
2016-11-21 10:58:03
Got it! I can see where you're coming from, and I'm a bit disappointed, but complicity's an entirely reasonable thing to keep in mind in your position as an actual developer of Lioden.

I think that there should be more copies from the skin maker. Maybe 5? Each beetle only lives for a month, after all. And only the original beetle that the skin was applied to may pass that skin on. Any passed-on beetles with the skin will have that look, but will not be able to pass that skin on. This effectively solves the issue of immortal skins.

What's your opinion on the dead beetle shells? I'm not sure what the admin team has planned for those, but I feel that after death, the beetle shell will retain the original beetle species and color, and ignore the skin entirely. It would get too complicated otherwise.



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Xylax (#4)

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Posted on
2016-11-21 20:54:50
I like your idea on how to solve immortal skins, I will think on everything else, thank you for input and understanding.

Dead beetle shells would stay as they are in that case, skin or not, the beetle dies and leaves normal dead item.
I wouldn't mind showcasing favourite beetles/skins in mounds or dens, but that's another story for future :o



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Blossom Witch (Clean
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Posted on
2016-12-15 02:00:28
I barely read any of that but yes. I would love skins for the beetles.

I will read this later when I have time



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