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2017-02-06 22:19:56
I remember that no long ago a player asked in chat what were the effects of lionesses' personalities, besides the nurturing one, and that a staff member replied that none, for the moment, but that it was already planned to change. I've searched and found no other suggestion that focused solely on this, so here we go:

Female's Personalities Overhaul!



Right now, we have about 50 different personalities for females, 10 per karma group, and only one of those - Nurturing - has a notable effect within our prides beyond the mood boost and penalties that all karma groups share. This is a lot of effects to make, so I thought that we could begin suggesting 9 to complement the "taking care of an extra cub as a broodmother" one, and see where they fit within all the karma groups as a personality. Or that could stay exclusive to the good girls, like some male personalities? Or maybe add a counterpart to the evil side?

Perhaps we could have some lionesses have a chance of bringing something "extra" from their hunts, like the Stingy or the Gracious ones? Have some that help with the general mood of the pride, like the Joyful, Upbeat or Humorous personalities? Maybe some that can boost our PvP or PvE chances, like the Loud and Brutal ones? What would you want your ladies to be able to do?

Possible Personalities' effects:


Interaction Effects



  • A small chance of regaining 5% of energy once per Rollover and lioness when interacting with certain personalities (Cuddly, Gentle/Calm, Laidback, Lazy, Grumpy/Secretive?).

  • A small chance of getting 1-5 SB upon interaction with certain lionesses.

  • The chance of getting a special decor (Patient Expression) when you interact with certain lionesses (Emotional, Needy).

  • A small chance of gaining 1-3% of impression level upon interacting with certain lionesses (Proud, Vain)/A small chance of gaining certain "messy" decors upon interacting.

  • A chance of being gifted small trinkets - single use bones, feathers - upon interacting with certain lionesses (Distant?).

  • Exclusive to Awkward lionesses: a chance of being gifted your least favorite food upon interacting.

  • A small chance of the lioness gaining 10-25 EXP points upon interaction with the lioness in question.

  • A small chance of the lioness gaining 1-3 random stats when interacting with the lioness in question.



The Feed all, Play all feature would have 0% chance of any of the interaction effects taking place: this is not a penalty, but a warning. For the interactions' effects to take place, you have to actually interact with the lionesses.

Special Effects



  • Protect 6 cubs as a Broodmother (This is already in-game)

  • Aid in a PvE battle once per day. This could work as Laharu did, and have her attack after every attack of our own. Intrepid

  • Exclusive to Romantic ladies and an Evil personality (Sinister?): Be able to mate with them once per Rollover without any energy cost/Enable the mating to another lioness without energy cost once per Rollover.|Auto-claim a lioness in explore once per RO thanks to her matchmaking/conniving ways. It's been pointed out that the auto-claim effect has the potential of being abused, so a way to limit it or a whole new effect would be welcome!

  • *Exclusive to a Good personality (Trusting?): Escort a pride member to the Natural Reserve once per Rollover; the lioness would get a small mood boost, gain 1-3 stats at random/give you +5 karma while she loses a hunt. This would take effect when you click on the "Send to Nature Reserve" option at the bottom of an unsecured lion page, and the flavor text could be: "You decide to take [LION'S NAME] to the Nature Reserve, but [TRUSTING LIONESS] volunteers to do it for you. She missed a hunt, and you gained [REWARD]."

  • *Exclusive to a Bad personality (Brutal?): Kill a pride member once per Rollover; the lioness would get a small mood boost/satiate hunger/add a carcass to the hoard/gain 1-3 stats at random/give you -5 karma while she loses a hunt. This would take effect when you click on the "Kill" option at the bottom of an unsecured lion page, and the flavor text could be: "You approach [LION'S NAME] with murderous intent, but [BRUTAL LIONESS] steps in and demands to do it, and you let her. She missed a hunt, and you gained [REWARD]."

  • Bring a small carcass once per Rollover when requested – this would make a brand new button a necessity/Have a small chance of bringing a critter carcass back with the usual hunting carcasses – the lioness would need to be part of that hunt.

  • Exclusive to Cold Lionesses: Don't loose any mood when taking a cub from their care.

  • Being able to cut the hunting time by half once per Rollover (the lioness must take part on the hunt).

  • Exclusive to Graceful and Harsh lionesses: A second chance per Rollover to train a single cub that has failed their training that Rollover.



*Those two are counterparts, and the idea is for only one of those effects to be possible, but the hunt cost is a must; which effect do you prefer? Karma? Mood for the lioness? Stat gain? Other?

Given that these effects could be taken advantage of with larger prides, a good way to prevent a possible abuse would be establishing a system similar to the stud slots: every week an account has a given amount of effect slots, and every time one of these is purposely used it'd take a slot away, until there are no more left or the counter refills the following week.

Automatic Effects



  • Raise pride members’ moods 2-4% every Rollover. This would take effect only within compatible karma groups: Kind and Good, and Snarky and Evil. Neutral is, well, neutral, so it'd only work within other neutral lions. The personalities that could have this effect could be Joyful, Upbeat, Humorous, Sassy and Mischievous.

  • Prevent a single pride member from leaving if they do so from a low mood, randomly (Warm lionesses or similar?).It's been pointed out that this effect has the potential of being abused, so a way to limit it or a whole new one would be welcome!

  • Exclusive to Rebellious personality: Lose only a 5% of mood upon Rollover, regardless of the king's personality.

  • Exclusive to Stingy and Prudent lionesses: they lose 5-10% less hunger per RO due to their "private stash".



Edit: I erased the whole personalities lists, for convenience purposes, given that the post was getting very long. I'll repost them once each one has been given a possible effect, preferably on a fancy table.



This suggestion has 831 supports and 6 NO supports.



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Edited on 09/02/18 @ 09:57:09 by Berenos (#84593)

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2017-03-02 02:25:49
I suppose you have bad luck then. I tend to get at least one lioness getting a stat or two from feeding a day.

And most of the abilities are passive? The only ones that require them to do it by hands are ones that would reward stats, energy, impression, etc.

The rest are passives? Like losing less mood upon rollover, adding in battle once a day, etc.

If you have better suggestions, you're welcome to post? We've just been throwing ideas out there that make sense and offer a bit more interaction/fun than just a standard passive for every female.



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2017-03-02 02:48:36
@Lunar Lords

If you dislike the suggested personalities' effects, feel free to share what you'd be happy with, we tried to keep the effects as Lioden-friendly as possible while still being something to look forward to every Rollover.

And this is why all the interaction-based effects don't take effect at all with the use of the Play All, Feed All feature. I still have to contrast this, but I think the Play All, Feed All feature fuctions like the Auto-nesting feature, in that the feature "provides" the materials given to those lions - which means nothing of your own hoard is actually used - and that there are no possible stats gain from the "food" and "toys" provided. It does just that, amuse your lions and sate their hunger, nothing more. Which means that, to get the interaction effect, you actually have to interact with the lioness, because the amusement part of the feature is like giving a lioness a toy with 0% chance of giving a random stat. The note at the end of the interaction effects is a warning, not a penalty. If the users of the Feed All, Play All feature want the interaction effect, they have to interact with the lioness, just like everyone else.

Now that that is out of the way, is there anything you'd modify that, to your opinion, would fit better Lioden? What other effects would you add? Everyone's free to disagree with what we're proposing here, but actual constructive cryticism would be welcome, too.



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2017-03-04 22:32:35
Just polished it a bit. So, which effect do you guys prefer for the ladies that send to reserve or kill other pride members? Karma? Mood boost? Stat gain? Let the evil lioness eat the carcass, or have it appear in your hoard?



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2017-05-04 03:55:44
I'm all for this. I'd love to see more female personalities actually have an in-game effect. It'd give claiming certain lionesses or buying/breeding certain ones have more purpose beyond genetics and stats, to have actual bonuses they could afford the player so we can better tailor our pride to suit our tastes.

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@₮he ₲odeater - Vincent

Thank you! Feel free to suggest anything for it, from possible effects to which personality would fit best what, nothing is set in stone.



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2017-07-05 06:01:18
It would be so freaking cool. Support!



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2017-07-05 06:39:09
@Miri

Thank you! Feel free to suggest any possible effect, too. I'm sure we're missing more than a few xD



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2017-07-05 06:42:50
Anything close to what you suggested would be awesome to be honest :D



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2017-07-11 13:04:11
This is great! I totally agree with the idea, however I have a few qualms:
  • "A small chance of getting 5-10SB upon interaction with certain lionesses (Trusting/Down-to-Earth/Stingy?)." First of all, wouldn't a stingy person want to keep their money? Lol, but that's not my issue, just a joke :) I just think that this seems like a way to quickly gain SB. Maybe if it was a random chance of gaining 1SB upon interaction, that would be awesome. I get that it's a small chance, though, and it's not that big of a deal. Just struck me as something which would definitely add up over time.
  • "Aid in an explore battle once per day. This would work as a lucky foot does, with a little text bellow the battle window that said “Roar for help?" or similar." Definitely going to devalue Lucky Feet in the market, but eh. I don't think that it should be an autowin, but rather your attacks get a buff (extra damage and more likely to hit). That way it doesn't entirely replace Lucky Feet and is still useful. This should only be able to be done once a day so that people don't hoard this personality trait of lionesses so that they can win every battle, as well (not once a day per lioness, but once a day per account which has any lionesses with the personality).
  • As for the karma loss/gain, it's going to be really annoying if I have a lioness of that personality and my karma keeps dropping (or gaining if you're an evil king). Maybe it's only that you have the option to lose or gain karma just like with Even-Tempered for males, you can lose or gain I believe 20(?) karma each day, but of course it's your choice whether or not you do. Obviously you can't choose to lose or gain karma with female personalities, but I do think that you should be able to choose whether to lose/gain karma or not.



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2017-07-11 13:42:08
@Emerald

Thank you for your input! I admit, the stingy one would give you part of her stash grudgingly, maybe it's a decoy to protect her 'real' stash? xD

Anyways, I get that the donation of SB from the ladies would add up over time - kind of figured it'd balance itself with the rarity and the carcasses you don't sell because that lioness feeds on them, but perhaps I'm mistaken. What about changing the possible amount from 5-10 SB to 1-5 SB? It'd be very rare, but always 1 SB sounds kind of sad to me. Like, hey, this lioness is sharing some of her things out of the goodness of her heart - or not - and it's just this measly amount, when in explore you can find up to 50 SB in some encounters.

The issue with the auto-win I can see now, the boost sounds like a good idea. But what about a kind of assist move in the actual fight, instead of increased damage from your lion? It kind of reminds me to some fighting games, when another character appears briefly to do something in the combat to help yours and then disappears. It could work like an additional, single hit, but then we have various options: have that hit diminish the enemy's HP the same amount always, make it range from a minimun to a maximun, or make it even more complex and make it increase with the level of the lady.

And the gain/loss of karma was already intended to be optional. I'll have to word it more clearly above :S



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2017-07-11 13:54:42
@Berenos

1-5 sounds fine, it's only that if you hoard Stingy lionesses and you get lucky, you could easily get 100SB+ just for logging in. I mean, 40 * 10 = 400 and that's the most optimal situation without paying GB for territory. In order to get 100SB, you'd need at least 10 lionesses with the personality and I can genuinely see some players specifically breeding for a den of Stingy lionesses plus a few Nurturing ones for Broodmothers.

I agree with all those suggestions! My only issue was the auto-win, that was all. There could also be a one-use strong attack (like when an enemy has soft skin and you Grab and Claw) as they come in to help and then leave, but it just seems strange to call for help and they only come in for one blow, lol. But that's only on the lore side of things; the point is you get a buff and the outcome is the same either way. I guess that the one-hit thing would be more useful if you were both low on health and needed a quick finisher whereas the first buff would be more useful to enable at the start of a fight.

Oh, okay! My bad then :)



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2017-07-11 14:52:01
@Emerald

I can't really see it as a viable option for anyone to hoard the SB giving ladies, to be honest. You could get them naturally by breeding, but that'd be one personality out of ten for each karma group (3 out of 30), so you'd have 1/10 chances of having a cub with that personality per karma group. Then you can either buy them from another player or spend 1 GB to change their personality to the one you want... I get it that it could be done, but then what? You'd spend a ridiculous amount of currency in the off chance you'll get it back or even profit? You don't get flavor texts every RO for every lioness, this'd be something rare like that.



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2017-07-11 15:35:33
@Berenos Honestly, personality breeding isn't that difficult. I haven't actually calculated it, but I see quite a few of my King's cubs with Chivalrous personality (the same as his) so personality inheritance probably isn't that improbable (lol).

But eh, regardless, 1-5SB is fine. We agree regardless so it doesn't really matter to argue about hypothetics ^.^



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2017-07-12 01:15:35
@Emerald

Feel free to post here any other ideas any time! Arguing over things doesn't bother me - unless someone is being rude - but I'm sorry if I made you uncomfortable or something.



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2017-07-12 08:34:36
@Berenos No, you didn't! It's fine, I just thought that the argument was basically pointless since we had come to the same destination anyway, regardless of route :)



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