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| Posted by | Edit Randomess of Apps: NO DOUBLE MARKS |
 JAX • 3.12.21 9/15 | 13/15 BO (#98288) 
Bone Collector View Forum Posts  Posted on 2017-10-23 08:33:50 |
The Randomness apps need to be edited. I propose the Randomness of the Apps be edited to where when you use an Applicator, whatever mark it give you WILL NOT show up again the next time you use that Applicator on the same lion. It can the third time, but no consecutive same markings. I’ve gotten doubloon applicator (a WASTE of 180gb) three times in a row on one lion and Bloodbourne Vitiligo Three times in a row on one of my Sunset Kings (a waste of 450bb or 4 days of BB collecting) This needs to change, especially in the case of those very hard to get/very expensive apps like Ice or Doubloon. The App should operate on a Without Replacement clause, as described above (If you, for example, get Bloodbourne dapple one, you won’t get it again your next time, but the NEXT time is fair game.) POST AMENDMENT 1After some discussion, I could see some of the inexpensive marks such as Ivory, Fiery, Blazing, Cocoa, Nacre, Unholy, Bloodbourne ect. maintaining their random status as they tend to stay pretty cheap even when an event's passed AND while at that particular event, they're fairly easy to get. But more expensive Applicators like Doubloon, Ochre, Sepia, Auburn, Auburn/Ebony Felines, Kiss From a Rose, Spicy Ice, Maroon Four, ect. be NOT random based on the sheer amount of effort it takes to get them. Either effort or currency-- these apps tend to be very expensive. "Each time a marking app is used, your chances of getting the same marking consecutively decrease. So let's say you're using a Fiery Unders app, and the marks look like this: Fiery Belly: 25% Fiery Bottom: 25% Fiery Undershine: 25% Fiery Undercover: 25% You use a Fiery Unders app, and you get Fiery Bottom. The next time you use a Fiery Unders app, the odds look like this instead: Fiery Belly: 27.5% Fiery Bottom: 17.5% Fiery Undershine: 27.5% Fiery Undercover: 27.5% (this discrepancy is a little high so maybe it could be a smaller change than that) ... And so on. Once a different marking is obtained, it resets the odds back to 25/25/25/25. This leaves some of the randomness without completely screwing over the user." wonderfully said/added by Thalath. |
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JAX • 3.12.21 9/15 | 13/15 BO (#98288)
Bone Collector View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-23 10:43:08 |
Once again, for the third time now, that doesn't mean it can't change *shrug*  0 players like this post! Like? |
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Unknown (#44136)
Angelic View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-23 10:44:32 |
And why should it change? It's perfectly fine the way it is, as far as i can see the apps do tell you they are random. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 23/10/17 @ 10:45:40 by Cursed Soul (#44136) |
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Turnip Chair (#117787)
Wicked View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-23 10:45:16 |
You're plenty welcome to disagree. No one is telling you that we can't have different opinions, but for you to shut down my opinions and tell me I'm wrong is only detrimental towards yourself if you won't accept that not everyone has to agree with you. I get it, you want to defend your suggestion, and that's fine. But there's no need to reject every suggestion that juxtaposes your ideas. The key to winning an argument is to acknowledge the other side and realize that you aren't the only one with valid reasons for your thoughts, which from what I've seen you haven't done a very good job at. I shouldn't have to explain my reasoning in thorough detail because you want more examples to pick apart and use against me, and you shouldn't have to blind yourself to other people's opinions because you're so convinced your way is the only way. There is nothing you can say that will change my views on the subject, so it's not worth the effort of pointing out the flaws in my argument when there are plenty of other people for you to pick apart and start an argument with. As you can see, I'm not the only one with a different opinion. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 23/10/17 @ 10:49:03 by Turnip Chair | Lights Off! (#117787) |
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JAX • 3.12.21 9/15 | 13/15 BO (#98288)
Bone Collector View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-23 10:46:34 |
Because the amount of effort that goes into to getting some applicators shouldn't be rewarded with getting something you don't want. I'm completely open to some apps being random (Ivory, Blazing, Inferno, Fiery, Cocoa, hell even Bloodbourne and Unholy) and some not (Doubloon, Ochre, Sepia, Auburn, Felines). 0 players like this post! Like? |
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JAX • 3.12.21 9/15 | 13/15 BO (#98288)
Bone Collector View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-23 10:49:31 |
Chair, no one told you you were wrong.  But leave if you want, that's fine with me. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Sol (#60839)
Toxic View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-23 10:51:18 |
""A huge part of LD"? You got a source for that statement? Because feline applicators aren't random and they don't seem to be breaking or changing the system in any way shape or form" - I'm quoting you here. Which feline apps did you possibly mean if not those? Certainly not F7 White, that is so largely unpopular and therefore on almost no lions? Or has there been a misunderstanding? What were you referring to when you said feline apps don't operate that way? Either way; I would, perhaps, support some sort of control for the extremely expensive apps. But not for the comparatively cheap ones. Additionally: I said that I was basing my statement on all apps on LD - and that most of these are random. And I don't quite follow your line of argumentation; if you say that Staff implemented supposedly inconsiderate things before without a care - what makes you think that they will care about this? I'm not saying they won't. What I'm saying is that LD is based on this system. Why would they change this, especially if they implement "inconsiderate" things anyways, according to you? Additionally - of course things like this are a "money grab". LD is based off of the fact that people buy GB. And that is an ideal way to get people to buy it - if they want expensive apps, especially when they're out of season (i.e. ice apps right now), they buy GB to buy them from another player. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Sootsprite (#28010)
Savage View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-23 10:52:46 |
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Thalath {Offline} (#41669)
Wanderer View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-23 10:54:52 |
I think there are two ways this could be implemented without being too aggravating for either party Either do this: "I'm completely open to some apps being random (Ivory, Blazing, Inferno, Fiery, Cocoa, hell even Bloodbourne and Unholy) and some not (Doubloon, Ochre, Sepia, Auburn, Felines)." Referral apps should have never been random but I guess that's irrelevant at this point since they can be gotten elsewhere. OR: Each time a marking app is used, your chances of getting the same marking consecutively decrease. So let's say you're using a Fiery Unders app, and the marks look like this: Fiery Belly: 25% Fiery Bottom: 25% Fiery Undershine: 25% Fiery Undercover: 25% You use a Fiery Unders app, and you get Fiery Bottom. The next time you use a Fiery Unders app, the odds look like this instead: Fiery Belly: 27.5% Fiery Bottom: 17.5% Fiery Undershine: 27.5% Fiery Undercover: 27.5% (this discrepancy is a little high so maybe it could be a smaller change than that) ... And so on. Once a different marking is obtained, it resets the odds back to 25/25/25/25. This leaves some of the randomness without completely screwing over the user. "... getting the same marking 2, 3, or even 4 times, that's part of the fun " Man, people on Lioden find fun in some really weird places. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 23/10/17 @ 11:00:41 by Thalath (#41669) |
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JAX • 3.12.21 9/15 | 13/15 BO (#98288)
Bone Collector View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-23 11:01:02 |
@Sol The enclave feline Apps? Auburn and Ebony. Those Applicators allow you to choose what you want, which opacity you want, and where you wanna put it that. And they're all the way down in the 300 range, with Ochre, Sepia, ect. And I could agree on that, but there would need to be some sort of consensus. Ivory marks tend to give me vesture 10 times in a fucking row and sure it's annoying, but those apps are only what? 5-7 gb, maybe a little more. Results like this are not acceptable however. I've bought about 5 doubloon apps my entire time on LD. 4 of them have given me undercover, the latest 3 3 times in a row. Things like that kill morale. And I was using my situation as argument to whoever said "it wouldn't be right to players who tried to get quad marks on their kings". Staff doesn't exactly operate on what is "right" and unless there was a huge outcry, I don't think they'd mind shafting a few of their players. And once again, if the support is there, maybe they'll listen but I dunno man. This is the only way, as a player, we can get any kind of change. What does staff usually say when you say something needs to be changed? "Suggest it" so here I am and that's the point of this throat.Yeah, but people don't like blantant cash grabs. A good example was the Mane Marks they added. Didn't go over well with a lot of people, myself included. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Sootsprite (#28010)
Savage View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-23 11:02:24 |
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JAX • 3.12.21 9/15 | 13/15 BO (#98288)
Bone Collector View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-23 11:03:28 |
@SootSprite It might be their game, but the players keep it alive by buying GB. We should get a say in how some things work, it shouldn't be "my way or the highway", but too often it is. Later, I will amend the OP to include my some marks random, some not revision. Also thalath, that's a nice system. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Turnip Chair (#117787)
Wicked View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-23 11:08:32 |
"Results like this are not acceptable however. I've bought about 5 doubloon apps my entire time on LD. 4 of them have given me undercover, the latest 3 3 times in a row. Things like that kill morale." I didn't want to jump in again, but this statement caught my eye and I couldn't help myself. Saying the result of a randomizer is unacceptable is like saying the weather is unacceptable. So what? It's completely random - it's not some cruel admin punishing you for anything. I just don't see the point in complaining about chance when you bought the applicator knowing it was completely random and there was a chance you wouldn't get the mark you wanted. You can't really blame anyone for bad luck. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 23/10/17 @ 11:10:18 by Turnip Chair | Lights Off! (#117787) |
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JAX • 3.12.21 9/15 | 13/15 BO (#98288)
Bone Collector View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-23 11:10:35 |
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Sol (#60839)
Toxic View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-23 11:11:46 |
@Jax Yeah. That's what I thought. So I'm not quite sure where the misunderstanding was. As I said in my posts - those are thoroughly harder to get, and some sort of control for enclave apps, which require far more work than a simple event app or whatever, would be acceptable to me. And I understand that people don't want blatant cash grabs. But if you consider it: this whole game is a cash grab I think, if there were any method of limiting implemented, Thalath's suggestion would be a good one - limiting it only in part, and not in such a huge manner. I think I'd far likely support something that doesn't change matters hugely - and as such wouldn't be detrimental to the system as is. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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🌷 (#75335)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-23 11:15:11 |
Support, especially for really difficult-to-obtain apps like Enclave apps. The gambling aspect can be fun for certain things, but it's demoralizing to fail over and over when you have to sell your soul for certain apps. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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