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2018-01-16 00:22:45
For a mutation:
What if there is a female lion, but the mane is fuller like any regular male, unlike the slight manes that are in the game right now! I did some research and some articles say that when lionesses get manes sometimes they act more like males! The mutation appears at the 1 year as a light mane and grows into a full mane like males as suggested by The Dirt King (#113702) in the first comment!

The effects could be that she could be a broodmother, go on patrols, and hunt(uncertain about the hunting part still) but a downside would be that she is infertile and chasteberries do not work!(suggested by The Dirt King (#113702) The infertile part would make the mutation harder to pass. The patrolling and hunting would make the mutation actually useful for a change (sorry but I mean like we should have at least one useful mutation right?) Also maybe the mutation could be genetic and it would be more passable with males that have CERTAIN BREEDING ONLY MANE TYPES! (this would make manes useful also!) If they had manes and had some cubs maybe their cubs could have a higher survival rate because lionesses with manes actually help scare off some predators! (see resource 3)

Sorry if this was already suggested but I spent lots of time and effort coming up with this and typing it all out! This idea might be hard on Xylax and the other team members but I think it would be really nice to have a mutation that does something more than kinda just sit there :P (I know not all mutations are like this but still!)

Rescources: (they mostly say the same thing but still! You may research some more and comment what you think!
1-https://www.newscientist.com/article/2106866-five-wild-lionesses-grow-a-mane-and-start-acting-like-males/
2-https://www.sciencealert.com/these-five-lionesses-have-grown-manes-and-now-they-re-starting-to-act-like-males
3-https://www.sciencealert.com/why-do-these-lionesses-in-botswana-have-manes
4-https://www.snopes.com/lionesses-grow-manes/

If you do not support i would like to hear why so then I can improve this >~<



This suggestion has 82 supports and 21 NO supports.



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Edited on 16/01/18 @ 03:32:25 by drawolfy『SS Reindeer』 (#118913)

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Posted on
2018-01-16 01:55:37
I support for a full male mane on a female! Though not so much on potential game effects xD

Just, i'd love to see a lioness with super fluffy mane like a males is!

A potential name for it could the the King Mane.



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2018-01-16 01:56:20
Tau [HM | Natural] (#18630) - Ok so they actually do have lots of perks. Since they have manes they scare away enemies so maybe if you get this maned lioness with a bigger mane there could be a higher survival chance of your cubs overall so like if there was 1 maned lioness and 10 cubs then maybe they could distribute protection(moresurvival chance) throughout the cubs or something!



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2018-01-16 01:57:15
Vaer (#126931) - That name sounds good! I think that if it were to become a mutation i think that xy wouldnt do the boost things though but its worth suggesting!



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2018-01-16 02:16:13
Where is it mentioned in the articles they have advantages? I was reading over all of them and I didn't see that mentioned? It mentioned male behaviors and the fact most of them seem infertile (which would be a disadvantage in nature). I didn't see it mentioned they were any better at scaring away predators than a normal lion or lioness?

The mane does make them more visible, but for a lioness that might actually be a problem. It's probably a bit harder to hunt and stalk, which is why male lions (except Tsavos) are less successful than females overall when it comes to hunting.



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2018-01-16 02:21:01
Oo i like it!



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Edited on 16/01/18 @ 02:22:23 by The Lion's Den (#118948)

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2018-01-16 02:22:48
Tau [HM | Natural] (#18630) - on the third link below the 2nd image "while they are treated as females within their own prides, outside their family group they are thought of as males, which appears to make it easier for them to fend off hyenas and rival males."
maybe they have a lower success rate when hunting, or cannot hunt?



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2018-01-16 02:35:51
That's interesting! I still don't think it's enough to warrant a massive change to the way mutations work, but it's interesting information. It's a shame they're not doing more research into what's causing the maned feature in the five females.



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2018-01-16 02:37:31
oh uhm in this one http://www.wilderness-safaris.com/blog/posts/mmamoriri-the-maned-lioness its says this
"How this aberration comes about is unclear, but Dr. Luke Hunter of Panthera feels that this condition is most likely to originate either at conception or during foetal development in the womb, where it could be caused by either an abnormality in the sperm, which is integral to sex determination of the embryo, or where the female has an imbalance of androgens such as testosterone during gestation, resulting in a female offspring having certain male characteristics, or vice versa."



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2018-01-16 02:38:13
those male characteristics would be the mane, more masculine, and so on



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2018-01-16 02:42:14
Interesting. It sounds like it might be something similar to a "Freemartin". A Freemartin is a infertile female mammal with masculinized behavior and non-functioning ovaries. For them, it's due to having a male twin. It causes them to share blood/hormones, resulting the female twin having far more male hormones than she should. The male is normally not affected though.

It's most well known in cattle, but also shows up in pigs, sheep, etc.



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2018-01-16 02:44:34
hmm maybe we could call it that then hehe



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2018-01-16 02:46:17
owo wait it doesnt appear in felines :P i guess its a different thing maybe?



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2018-01-16 02:56:53
I'm actually not sure if it appears in felines or not. It's been studied in farm animals since it causes some issues (cows who can't breed aren't much use).

Using Google, apparently it could potentially happen in cats?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ar.1090400305/full

It's an older article though so not really sure if it's still accurate or not!



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Posted on
2018-01-16 03:12:29
hmmm yeah



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Posted on
2018-01-16 04:16:08
I pressed no support, and it's because well... What's the benefits I would get through keeping a lioness with this mutation?
You say patrolling is a benefit, but why is it? I originally thought, "Oh! It's for stat breeding maybe," but you then say it's infertile and can't be bred at all, no matter what's used.
And then as for the broodmother thing, why should I want this lioness who can't pass any marks at all, and basically just has a default nurturing personality in a sense? I could easily get a pretty lioness who can have nice cubs and also have the nurturing personality.
I just don't see a benefit in keeping a lioness who just builds stats and protects cubs.

The only thing I could really support is the mane mutation itself, without all the added things.

Just editing real quick to say maybe I misunderstood something here, but every time I reread this is essentially what I'm thinking you mean.



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Edited on 16/01/18 @ 04:18:17 by Notevy (#115741)







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