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Posted by | Head Tilt (100+) |
frappo (#137881) King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-11-12 14:09:04 |
Head Tilt - Idiopathic Vestibular Disease |
LittleAntler [BLM] (#30151)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-11-12 14:28:19 |
I feel so bad for finding this cute ;0; At least they'd be able to survive with the help of the pridemates. A little lack of coordination doesn't seem like the end of the world. Support. 0 players like this post! Like? |
CALA (#105146)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-11-12 14:29:50 |
I personally like the idea of this mutation, but I feel like it should be present in younger lions - from around 3 months onwards; or perhaps it could trigger upon cub-weaning? We had a dog with a mild head-tilt due to ear abnormalities, and she lived a very happy existence, and we first noticed it was present at three months old. 0 players like this post! Like? |
frappo (#137881)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-11-12 14:39:19 |
@LittleAntler Thank you for the support! I feel bad for thinking it's cute too ;; @Cala You're right, but it can actually appear at any point in life and I just wanted to narrow it down to when it's the most common to appear. I'll change it to 3 months for now though, thank you for your feedback! 0 players like this post! Like? |
πΈ Chonk πΈ (#54568)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-11-12 14:43:37 |
springflight {pie breeder} (#84713) Necromancer View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-11-13 11:08:37 |
there should be an option to set another pridemate as a helper for them!! like what @littleantler said 0 players like this post! Like? |
frappo (#137881)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-11-13 11:34:27 |
@antlers yes! :0 because a lion with head tilt wouldn't be able to survive without someone to help them 0 players like this post! Like? Edited on 13/11/18 @ 11:37:18 by frappo (#137881) |
Spookybirb .:G1 Primal:. (#140809) View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-11-15 18:24:40 |
Hmm maybe the lion could stay with the broodmother? Instead of creating a whole new role, i think it would be best if the lion with head tilt could be assigned again under a broodmother! (of course they wouldn't be able to until the mutation appears!) 0 players like this post! Like? |
frappo (#137881)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-11-16 05:20:57 |
@KiwiBerb I'll add that into the post if you don't mind! Thanks for the feedback ~ 0 players like this post! Like? |
Juminakata (River) (#6903)
Toxic View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-11-19 14:32:37 |
1 i totally support this and think the idea of a broodmother keeping them safe (and negating the chance of them suddenly dying) would be great! 2 im guessing if it can appear at any time, from 3 months to adulthood then it would require a new class of mutation, similar to AMPs? perhaps "Underlying Mutation Present" could be the term for it? 0 players like this post! Like? |
frappo (#137881)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-11-19 14:41:42 |
@Juminakata thanks for the support! and also I think that the underlying mutation present idea would be a good idea if the head tilt was ever added into lioden - it might require some extra coding but if the coders are up for it then it would be great! 0 players like this post! Like? |
Juminakata (River) (#6903)
Toxic View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-11-19 15:25:26 |
yeah! i dont think it would be too difficult, given that they already have the AMP coding they could probably copy and modify! 0 players like this post! Like? |
πHootπ [Semi Hiatus] (#109907) Heavenly View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-11-22 07:55:40 |
Not sure if this could apply to a mutation, but IRL if a head tilt is caused by an infection/parasite and the infection is treated, the head tilt can remain even if the infection is gone. I work at a vet for exotics (birds, rodents, reptiles) and I've seen rabbits and rats with permanent head tilts that otherwise lived normal lives since the cause of their head tilt was treated. Not sure if it's the same for dogs and cats tho, and the lack of a full field of view would def impact their ability to survive in the wild. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Griff π (#26694)
Bone Collector View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-12-08 08:23:35 |
Hmm, reading up on this, I don't think it would work as a Lioden mutation because a. if it is caused by an underlying mutation [or infection etc.]it isn't idiopathic. Idiopathic conditions arise spontaneously and with no clear cause. and b. While reading up on the idiopathic form of the condition in cats, I found this: "idiopathic vestibular disease is a short-term, self-resolving condition. It does not continue for months. (Older affected dogs can have a residual, often permanent, head tilt, but this rarely occurs in cats.) Usually, the uncontrollable eye movement disappears within days." That is to say, usually this resolves itself and the only treatment is of the symptoms [because it is not known what causes it], making it no good for a long time mutation. A condition with similar effects that might work instead though is Cerebellar Hypoplasia, though that condition is present from birth and does not worsen or get better. 0 players like this post! Like? Edited on 08/12/18 @ 08:25:08 by Griff π (#26694) |
frappo (#137881)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-12-08 08:57:43 |
a. I didn't know that.. thank you for telling me! b. it rarely occurs, yes, but that means that the mutation could just be very rare, since it IS possible to turn into a permanent head tilt in cats (while in rabbits it is quite common, but they can still live a long healthy life with the proper care) I'll go read about Cerebellar Hypoplasia in a moment 0 players like this post! Like? |
Griff π (#26694)
Bone Collector View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-12-08 10:12:43 |
It'd have to be a very rare mut to work then since it does usually resolve in cats, and I don't think there is data on it in lions so cats are what we have to work with. Though the general symptom of a head-tilt can definitely stay in any animal if it was caused by an infection or something similar, wouldn't be idiopathic then though. CH causes wobbliness, head tremors, and in very bad cases an inability to walk, so it is not exactly a head tilt, but a similar condition often seen in cats. The condition is not progressive or lethal on its own[the cat can learn to cope with it so it can improve a little from that, but not on its own], but in Lioden terms, it could be lethal by cause of accident like Deaf lions. Also I would think a CH lion would be unable to hunt or patrol or be king due to lack of coordination. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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