The lineart would most definitely not be as extensive as the primals, no matter how muscular the look- thats simply because primals are ancient, as well as their size is pretty similar when looking the primal size chart here.

It is a very beastly and primeval creature restored into lion populations by the most ancient ancestors of big cats to avenge all animals killed by poachers. Their size is not that impressive, but their skills in defeating primates are exceptional. Both males and females are equally fierce and do not have anatomical differences aside from a scarce mane and cheek fluff visible on males.

I dont know why or if Lioden intends to build on the in-game effects (like the did for ferus kings) but limitations leave room to grow.. When they introduced the first primal mutation, while its the most basic version of the variants, it left room to have quite a few different variants be introduced in the years to come! The lioness wouldnt exactly be super OP, compared to a normal female, she will have the ability to patrol (which isnt very much when you see what items they found).. mainly stats or food would be found, not really making that much her superior to other females. It does in fact, make it to where she can have the ability to fit while shes out patrolling. Although, her mane is expressive, that sill leaves her body size which is still relatively smaller than a male.

Not all have been disadvantages, while some of them are, its purely to describe effects in-game. For example, an effect on stats because of the dwarf mutation- although it is bad for them, a stat effect would be possible in a beneficial way on the lionesses because of the mutation. While I describe some of these disadvantages, its not to make them sound superior, its to show we already have versions set up in the game where a mutation can effect it, although most are very small.

A lioness would be able to hunt, patrol, OR be a broodmother (if shes excellent or bad, it doesnt really show so that doesnt matter). And once again, it has nothing to do with a personality. Im staying true to what has happened in nature, whether it is a freak genetic mutation or from inbreeding, its still a mutation.

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I don't want to argue. But I want to ask, genetically then, what is the difference irl between a normal maned lioness and what you're describing? If testosterone causes this mutation, what causes the other mane muts? Why is only this soecific mutation affected like this when other testosterone mutations exist (mane muts)?

(Also, other than the actual size overall of primals, there's jo real difference between what you're describing. And other than in that chart size isn't visible anywhere on lioden, when compared to other lionesses)

I also suggested it's better suited to a personality, because 1) that's what virile is, a personality trait. and 2) it could be like vits. vitiligo could've been a mutation, rather than a marking, but by making it a marking it allows for mkre variation. that way you could have all these effects, but it could be in the maned lioness of your choice, so to speak.

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There is only a normal lioness and then a maned lioness- the only difference being the abnormality of male hormones. Yes, that is it. I cannot find the main news post discussing mane mutations when they were introduced and the lioden wiki AMP section is under construction so I cannot say whether or not thats entirely why the mane mutations were introduced. So I just dont know what to say to that..

This mutation would be like a next level of the mane mutations, if the imperial (really, any of the 13 variants) mane had XX amount of 'testosterone' then virile would technically 'have more' if you want to look at numbers that way.

Yea, virile is technically a personality trait. Imperial is in relation to an empire and Succubus refers to "a female demon believed to have sexual intercourse with sleeping men".. which I personally laughed at for a long time.

I understand you dont like the idea. I greatly appreciate your feedback and I dont want to argue either, so Ill leave it at that.

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The amount of research is fucking amazing?? And so well explained, love this idea. Full support!!

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Wow, thank you!

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Hard no support, because I think having a lioness being able to patrol defeats the whole purpose of having a sub male (except for maybe a heir).

"Have a higher chance of finding food due to better ability to hunt than a male" Also, this doesn't make much to me. Patrolling is for gathering stats and training adolescents for stats, so if you wanted more food instead, why not just send the lioness to purely hunt? And we already have a good system for training female adolescents too, so I think the female patrolling thing would be useless in that regard too.

EDIT: And as said before, this would make a lion too OP and possibly break the balance of the game. Nobody wants a god lioness that can do everything both a female and male can.

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No support because this is just mane muties with extra steps.

There shouldn't be a whole new mutation in itself, if we're going by this, then all the maned muties would need to be recoded to fit this, which in all honestly, is a complete overhaul of making a lot of things useless. Why would I send a female to patrol when I can send my stat heir to patrol like he is meant to?

Some things aren't the way they are because someone else already thought of what you thought of.

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I feel like it'd work better as a personality type exclusive to maned lionesses (but more something of chance rather than all lionesses) ... like, a personality with perks (like nurturing) but uh, I think maybe like, she could be patrolled] and can hunt but, like with usual lionesses she can only be set to hunter as an adolescent/cub, while as an adult she could be set to patrol... I also think that as part of patrol she wouldn't have an increased chance of bringing back stuff but uh, maybe she can have a small chance to bring back lion meat (in reference to these lionesses killing cubs from other prides in retaliation)
I'd have it as an evil personality type, probably as like the female version of unscrupulous, except it can only appear by chance in a lioness which has the AMP of being maned.

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the idea and work behind it is cool, but no support! i feel like this is another one of those "breedable submale" suggestions ^^;;

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This is very well researched and interesting but yeah I'm gonna have to hit it with a No Support for reasons other no supports have stated. I do think it would be better as a rare personality exclusive to maned lionesses. It would likely go in the neutral category since it doesn't really have much to do with karma.

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Wow, thank you for your feedback.
Its quite obvious this idea will most likely never be accepted into the community for a number of reasons, through lioden and other platforms. While everyone might continue giving responses, I'm just going to let you all discuss it amongst yourselves.

I considered deleting the thread, but I'm going to leave it up for future users to see the idea doesn't work.

Thanks though for your kind words on my research~

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I really like this concept, and the amount of research you put into this is really amazing! I don't think It's overpowered at all, the only thing that might make it that is the patrolling ability, but it seems like a really great mutation!

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so essentially, trans lioness? instant support

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me, a person w/ too much testosterone in her system feeling recognized and seen

[SLAMS SUPPPORT]

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i have a giant soft spot for the mane mutations specifically because i love the masculine looking lionesses, so this would be kind of a dream come true for me C: i don't really see this as a "mane mutation but with extra steps", i feel like the behavior changes would really work to make it different. that's just me though. either way, (hits support)!

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