Posted by Macrozoospermia Mutation idea!

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2023-03-01 23:50:34
...I don't think i quite want to make art for the sperm, BUT, I will for the mane mutations.

In short, this mutation causes mutated uh.. sperm. It can either be within the shape or production, and if the sperm comes in contact with the egg, it can either cause her to miscarry with a higher chance of mutation next breeding, OR on essentially the VLF scale she carries to term, it could have the lion scrotum effect. ( ON A VERY, VERY RARE RANDOMIZED OCCASION! )

I think these cubs should be incredibly rare, just a little bit less if not the same scale of hybrids. I think that the lioness can only catch the sperm successfully if she has goddess fertility, and even then it's a 1 out of so-so chance.

With it obviously only affecting males, maybe its mane would be longer/shorter based on the type of Macrozoospermia, The one with a higher, ( yet more unhealthy ) Tangled sperm production being longer and the one with a simply deformed shape being smaller/offcolored than its natural mane color?

I would assume it would also be affected by the levels of testosterone.

These obviously are only reserved for the mutation, nothing like the barbary or Katanga shapes. possibly a bit more like the Mane: Silky mutation in females?

Still on edge if they should be allowed to be kinged or not, feel free to help me out here!

"I think this would be best under an 'amp' type mutation! I think it'd be fun to have a male amp type that's actually desired! Of course, it'd be interesting seeing as how it has to be revealed at adulthood! I think the mane mut would be the best physical presentation, personally, as it'd still leave a bit of room for guesswork."


Though, I don't think the tangled variant of sperm is technically part of the same mutation, but they're so similar and it essentially just changes fertility level that they should be considered "twin mutations" like with a few of the pie/patches mutations.

And with the Female/Male Fertility, I think that goddess Fertility should be essentially the 'base' factor in breeding. It simply has a chance to catch sperm higher than the other fertility, but anything but goddess CAN breed with said mutated lion, but it's basically a guaranteed miscarry & CRB effect. Anyhow, Depending on said males variant of the mutation would depend on the amount of cubs other than the DU/Goddess fertility. of course, DU's are going to end up with the most cubs other than just the goddess fert, Though back to the topic, If the male has the 'Deformed' sperm, The DU is more likely to have 2~3 Cubs, With the regular lioness only having 1~2 by some miracle.

To the male lion with said 'Tangled' Sperm, the DU would have a higher chance of having 4~6 cubs, with the average lioness having 1~3.the averaging being ~4 cubs. I think the Absolute least amount should be two, and the most being six? And even so, all this depends on if they have goddess fertility or not! I think it should count if they use fertility boosters to get to goddess.

Maybe rather than the CRB effect going through 100% of the miscarriages, it's only within a small chance of failed breedings? Like, mostly "This breeding failed due to the males fertility level! Nothing was gained from this pregnancy." Until a few (I say few but I mean MANY) pairs later it would be a flavor text of "This breeding Went through only for the female to miscarry due to the males mutation! The next time this lioness breeds, she will have a higher chance of a mutated cub! "

WOULD BE LABELED UNDER THE *AMP* CATEGORY UNTIL ADULTHOOD!
BUFFY/GOP/ECT *CANNOT* BE APPLIED! (RED COCKS CAN BE APPLIED)
( im gonna edit this as i go! )

CONCEPT ART COMING SOON!



This suggestion has 38 supports and 15 NO supports.



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Edited on 18/06/23 @ 13:43:55 by ⚣ ❛ Jαʋα ❜ / G4 ferus EHR (#337796)

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2023-03-01 23:53:16
I dont NOT support, but am neutral- it could likely grow on me! Would it have any appearance effects? Personally, I think a locked marking/mane type would make it more popular



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2023-03-01 23:56:39
I was considering that! Thanks for your input With it obviously only affecting males, maybe its mane would be longer/shorter based on the type of Macrozoospermia, The one with a higher, ( yet more unhealthy ) Tangled sperm production being longer and the one with a simply deformed shape being smaller/offcolored than its natural mane color?

I would assume it would also be affected by the levels of testosterone.

These obviously are only reserved for the mutation, nothing like the barbary or Katanga shapes. possibly a bit more like the Mane: Silky mutation in females?



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Edited on 02/03/23 @ 00:03:07 by ⚣ ❛ Jαʋα ❜ / G2 Spotted Ebony (#337796)

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2023-03-02 00:03:22
I like it! I think this would be best under an 'amp' type mutation! I think it'd be fun to have a male amp type thats actually desired! Ofc, it'd be interesting seeing as how it has to be revealed at adulthood! I think the mane mut would be the best physical presentation, personally, as it'd still leave a bit of room for guesswork



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2023-03-02 00:06:07
Yeah! I suppose now I'll need to make some art based off the mane types/coloring, Thanks so much for your help!



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2023-03-02 00:14:06
Ofc! I like it! It kinda reminds me of how DU would be valued, but kinda like having a hybrid king at the same time!



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2023-03-02 00:14:14
Technically, I believe male Leopon's are still able to be kinged, despite fertility. Plus, if this makes the lion unable to be kinged, what exactly is the point of it in the first place other than something to say you just have?



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2023-03-02 00:15:01
They are! But they can only breed goddess fert, and it doesn't effect mutation chances



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2023-03-02 00:17:13
So, the best way to describe it is a hybrid king situation with that knowledge in mind. A sort of trophy that doesn't do much normally, but it becomes even more useless if not able to be kinged.



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2023-03-02 00:18:37
Mhm! I like the concept, the goddess fert being noted just reminds me of hybrids, and that its kinda a trophy to anything else!



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2023-03-02 00:18:53
Exactly! Gosh if this did go through just imagine the studding prices,,, (shudder)
I'm still debating what should happen if said mutated lion would breed with a DU? Should the chances be rolled twice basically for success in either uterus? and if she had goddess fertility, how many cubs would be produced? I already confirmed that it's hereditary in males, And should have no effect on female cubs.

Im leaning towards she has the usual random scandalous amount of cubs, but as with the lion scrotum, it only has a 5% chance of passing.

(replying to alisons first msg! )



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Edited on 02/03/23 @ 00:21:38 by ⚣ ❛ Jαʋα ❜ / G2 Spotted Ebony (#337796)

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2023-03-02 00:21:30
Makes sense! Since fert % doesn't effect cub #s, and buffies/etc wouldn't effect it, it'd probably be more like a 4 cub litter on avg!



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2023-03-02 00:24:15
That would be perfect, And just to make it a tiny bit less complicated red cocks CAN be used on the male. there's such a small chance that the sperm catches that if it does then kudos to them. ( I'm willing to change this, And it could bring up the value of red cocks. )



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Edited on 02/03/23 @ 00:24:40 by ⚣ ❛ Jαʋα ❜ / G2 Spotted Ebony (#337796)

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2023-03-02 00:26:16
This does bring up an interesting idea between the two mutations though! Such as, since the said males, uh... mutated sperm causes their fertility to be massively decreased, maybe the DU can have a lower-than-average amount of cubs when it comes to breeding with them?



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2023-03-02 00:30:06
ooooh, Maybe like they said before, the averaging being ~4 cubs. I think the Absolute least amount should be two, and the most being six? And even so, all this depends on if they have goddess fert or not! I think it should count if they use fertility boosters to get to goddess.



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2023-03-02 00:35:19
You probably should also do more research into how this occurs as well, so you can have solid reasoning for the off-coloring, etc, and see what else may be wrong with the males regarding this mutation and other signs to look for in them.

I think the least amount being 2 is good, still averaging around 4 cubs as well makes some sense. Making it also capped at 6 does show that the males fertility is playing a role.

I also assume you mean that by Goddess fertility playing a role, only in the wise of chances for successful breedings. Despite that fact it may not make much sense for a high fert to have low amounts of cubs, this is a suggestion for a mutation, not a suggestion to change the entire system for choosing how many cubs a lioness will have.



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