Posted by Macrozoospermia Mutation idea!

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2023-03-01 23:50:34
...I don't think i quite want to make art for the sperm, BUT, I will for the mane mutations.

In short, this mutation causes mutated uh.. sperm. It can either be within the shape or production, and if the sperm comes in contact with the egg, it can either cause her to miscarry with a higher chance of mutation next breeding, OR on essentially the VLF scale she carries to term, it could have the lion scrotum effect. ( ON A VERY, VERY RARE RANDOMIZED OCCASION! )

I think these cubs should be incredibly rare, just a little bit less if not the same scale of hybrids. I think that the lioness can only catch the sperm successfully if she has goddess fertility, and even then it's a 1 out of so-so chance.

With it obviously only affecting males, maybe its mane would be longer/shorter based on the type of Macrozoospermia, The one with a higher, ( yet more unhealthy ) Tangled sperm production being longer and the one with a simply deformed shape being smaller/offcolored than its natural mane color?

I would assume it would also be affected by the levels of testosterone.

These obviously are only reserved for the mutation, nothing like the barbary or Katanga shapes. possibly a bit more like the Mane: Silky mutation in females?

Still on edge if they should be allowed to be kinged or not, feel free to help me out here!

"I think this would be best under an 'amp' type mutation! I think it'd be fun to have a male amp type that's actually desired! Of course, it'd be interesting seeing as how it has to be revealed at adulthood! I think the mane mut would be the best physical presentation, personally, as it'd still leave a bit of room for guesswork."


Though, I don't think the tangled variant of sperm is technically part of the same mutation, but they're so similar and it essentially just changes fertility level that they should be considered "twin mutations" like with a few of the pie/patches mutations.

And with the Female/Male Fertility, I think that goddess Fertility should be essentially the 'base' factor in breeding. It simply has a chance to catch sperm higher than the other fertility, but anything but goddess CAN breed with said mutated lion, but it's basically a guaranteed miscarry & CRB effect. Anyhow, Depending on said males variant of the mutation would depend on the amount of cubs other than the DU/Goddess fertility. of course, DU's are going to end up with the most cubs other than just the goddess fert, Though back to the topic, If the male has the 'Deformed' sperm, The DU is more likely to have 2~3 Cubs, With the regular lioness only having 1~2 by some miracle.

To the male lion with said 'Tangled' Sperm, the DU would have a higher chance of having 4~6 cubs, with the average lioness having 1~3.the averaging being ~4 cubs. I think the Absolute least amount should be two, and the most being six? And even so, all this depends on if they have goddess fertility or not! I think it should count if they use fertility boosters to get to goddess.

Maybe rather than the CRB effect going through 100% of the miscarriages, it's only within a small chance of failed breedings? Like, mostly "This breeding failed due to the males fertility level! Nothing was gained from this pregnancy." Until a few (I say few but I mean MANY) pairs later it would be a flavor text of "This breeding Went through only for the female to miscarry due to the males mutation! The next time this lioness breeds, she will have a higher chance of a mutated cub! "

WOULD BE LABELED UNDER THE *AMP* CATEGORY UNTIL ADULTHOOD!
BUFFY/GOP/ECT *CANNOT* BE APPLIED! (RED COCKS CAN BE APPLIED)
( im gonna edit this as i go! )

CONCEPT ART COMING SOON!



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Edited on 18/06/23 @ 13:43:55 by ⚣ ❛ Jαʋα ❜ / G4 ferus EHR (#337796)

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2023-03-02 00:48:51
I looked into a few sources, and it does indeed affect testosterone levels. Though, I don't think the tangled variant of sperm is technically part of the same mutation, but they're so similar and it essentially just changes fertility level that they should be considered "twin mutations" like with a few of the pie/patches mutations.

And with the Female/Male Fertility, I think that goddess Fertility should be essentially the 'base' factor in breeding. It simply has a chance to catch sperm higher than the other fertility, but anything but goddess CAN breed with said mutated lion, but it's basically a guaranteed miscarry & CRB effect. Anyhow, Depending on said males variant of the mutation would depend on the amount of cubs other than the DU/Goddess fertility. of course, DU's are going to end up with the most cubs other than just the goddess fert, Though back to the topic, If the male has the 'Deformed' sperm, The DU is more likely to have 2~3 Cubs, With the regular lioness only having 1~2 by some miracle.

To the male lion with said 'Tangled' Sperm, the DU would have a higher chance of having 4~6 cubs, with the average lioness having 1~3.

(aaarggh, now i *have* to make the mane art!)



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Edited on 02/03/23 @ 00:49:56 by ⚣ ❛ Jαʋα ❜ / G2 Spotted Ebony (#337796)

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2023-03-02 00:55:59
The CRB effect could be abused though. Someone kings a male with one of the variants, breeds to a lioness only to have them miscarry for a free CRB effect, and then studs them to a male who won't cause them to miscarry. Could be used as a way to up chances and up the numbers for lethals drastically. Er... hang on, am I now discussing the possibly for a market crash when it comes to lethals?

Nonetheless. Now you indeed do have to make the mane art.



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Edited on 02/03/23 @ 00:56:21 by Toaster (#242000)

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2023-03-02 01:01:31
Aaarrggggh I despise the fact that you are totally right. Maybe rather than the CRB effect going through 100% of the miscarriages, it's only within a small chance of failed breedings? Like, mostly "This breeding failed due to the males fertility level! Nothing was gained from this pregnancy." Until a few (I say few but I mean MANY) pairs later it would be a flavor text of "This breeding Went through only for the female to miscarry due to the males mutation! The next time this lioness breeds, she will have a higher chance of a mutated cub! "



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2023-03-02 01:12:30
With maybe a bit more fleshing out, that idea works much better! It mostly prevents a great market crash in lethals if this idea were to be added.

Taking into consideration the rate of which CRB normally effects a lioness's rates to pass things like lethals, etc too would be a good idea. I don't actually know exact numbers for that, but you could possibly tinker around with those in order to make it less reliable than using actual CRB? Since, I do feel given the nature of the mutation itself that it shouldn't be too rare for a miscarriage, just a more uncommon chance, or maybe a miscarriage with the chance of no CRB effect?



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2023-03-02 01:47:04
(uh.... art isn't my strong suit apparently...)
That's a great idea! So it's similar enough to give her a chance at a mutation, but not as potent as an actual crb would give her so people don't just seek out said mutated male for the crb effect.



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