Also if you don't support please give a reason! I'm curious as to why etc

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I think the reasoning behind a lot of no supports is that we already have tigons so ligers are just not really necessary- we have the lion x tiger hybrid already. There wouldn't be much room for a new hybrid-exclusive marking or base, especially not one that's distinctly different enough from the tigon base/marks we already have.

The other bit is the logic behind the hybrid becoming part of the pride. Since the hybrid isn't initially born into the pride, its mom likely wouldn't be very keen on giving up her child even if she could find her way back to the initial pride after 8 months. Tigers aren't pack animals; they don't really have a reason to give up a cub to a pride of lions. The cub also wouldn't be able to wean off its mother since she wouldn't join the pride with it; technically speaking it would have to be "born" almost out of nowhere, attached to no mother in the pride, as an already-weaned 5 month old cub? The raffle option seems even more out of place in that there's such a large number of tigers very routinely visiting the local prides and guarantees an exact number of Gen1 Ligers yearly.

Just seems like a lot of really illogical things would need to happen to result in the cub actually joining the pride. A lone male tiger wanting to have some fun with a lioness once in a blue moon and that resulting in a viable pregnancy is believable enough, but a lone female tiger wanting to give up her cub she's had with her for 5 months to a pride of lions she hasn't seen in 8 months is a bit too far-off, I think. And since mutations are the one thing LD really tries to keep realistic, I'm not sure I can see this becoming a new hybrid.

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thanks for the proper feedback
It may not be the most logical for a tiger to yeet her cub, BUT it makes no sense why your king doesn't just kill a cub that isn't his own -if your talking about realism. male lions are famous for killing any cub that isn't their own bloodline like 90%+ of the time.

I do understand the desire for people wanting hybrids that are with another big-cat more instead though! but in that regards I think its pretty limited as to what could viably breed with a lion?

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100% support.

I could see you allowing the female tiger into your pride ( Takes a lioness spot ), the mutation slot being "tiger", and when you breed with her, have a small percentage of the resulting cubs be a liger.

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I'd stick with reverse breeding maybe from an explore encounter if you had all of the above for a reverse breeding the food toy and nesting material in your hoard,
as for the tigress giving up her cub maybe give the liger cub up as an adolescent with a random percent of the cub training bar completed, more if you also gave the tigress that cub training fruit item. At adolescence tigers are about ready to leave their mother anyways so it would be a natural for her point to pass off her cubs to the lion pride.
Make the explore encounter as rare as getting a gen 1 hybrid with regular following check up encounters in explore. In the wild male tigers are known to step up and at the very least share food with their mates and cubs in some case take in their cubs should something happen to the mother. So the tigress being pretty relaxed about seeing the father of her cub around is normal. In exchange for higher cub training bar you could even offer the tigress uses of food in explore so she has more free time to train your cub herself

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no support for reasons that [ heartbroken ] (#209190) stated.

Plus, even if we found a work around for it, I wouldnt support until all the rest of the hybrid possibilities are made: jaguar x lion, snow leopard x lion, and possibly cougar x lion (yes i know they aren't the same genus, but there are study's that indicate it MIGHT be possible, even tho its not proven.) This just isnt something to focus on when we still have two more combinations left. My other thing would be that ligers tend to have serious issues and die early (due to over growth - gigantism - since they cant stop growing. While a lot of liodens general mechanisms and such are not realistic, mutations in the game are defiantly super realistic. Yes, lions kill cub that aren't theirs, but then we wouldnt be able to traded cubs if it was realistic, hints why that wasn't possible. Personally mutations are much different to this. Mutations (besides primal) have been generally realistic and as far as story's in lioden go, they make sense. It simply does not make sense for a tiger to get rid of her cub.

I also personally have an issue with solely getting them from event. This means that 1st gen ligers will only be a temporary thing to get. I am very, very against that. Just like other first gens, I believe they should be able to be gotten all year round.

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like I said explore encounters where the tigress doubles as a brood mother and drops off the cub or the cub wanders up at the point where they'd start getting more independent as an adolescent. the encounter as rare as getting a gen 1 hybrid in the first place and only if you have the supplies on hand for a rented lioness and the energy for a successful studding you could bolster cub training bars with certain items as well.

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Tigers are solitary. Which is the entire issue with your idea. Plus this seems like this would be tailored towards the rich. This idea can get exploited for those who have gb to just buy energy. With the first gens we have, we have to rely on the luck of breeding. And there is no way to truly speed up the process since there are territory limits.

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ok forget the energy requirement for a studding and make it again as rare as getting a gen 1 on your own having the liger cub take up a slot preemptively. The tigress may prefer to be alone but the liger cub might just have an impulse to be part of a pride so their mother tells them about their father and well one day she wakes up and finds out her adolescent cub joined their father's pride. There is a precedence in the wild of male tigers taking over rearing their cubs if something happens to the mother and habitually sharing their food with a tigress he mated with and the cubs. So she'd be considerably more relaxed about their father being around than you'd think, she might walk away at that point since her cub decided to be part of a pride and she has no interest in that. gen 1 hybrids as is can be kinda cheesed with mass breedings as long as your lion has energy to breed enough ibfs and a steady stream of lionesses all of which can be obtained with enough gb they can cheese it by going rapid fire with as many breedings as they can do the clicks for in a day

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That would only happen at adulthood when a liger becomes independent. And I dont agree with gaining them as an adult. Then you lose training and stats that way.

And as i said, until we get the rest of the hybrid combos, I dont think this should be of focus at all.

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you'd think a tigress would cub train her own cub. most big cats leave as adolescents if they do and that would have been the point I'd take them into the pride

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Tigers train their cubs to adulthood, yes, usually until 18 to 24 months.

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A tigress also wouldnt just abandon her cub. training has to do with lioden gameplay, not irl. If they are adults they lose training and therefore stats. And tigers dont leave until they are fully independent and young adults

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I could see that as this:

You see a Siberian tiger very rarely in one ( or two ) events, and, you invite her into your pride like how you'd claim a normal lioness ( if you even have enough space to do so, that is.) Then, you have a "tigress" whose a lioness with the "tiger" Mutation, and could guarantee a liger cub from breeding with her.

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she wouldn't join the pride or give up her cub is the whole thing... that is basically the entire problem we're trying to overcome here. I'd also add a caveat that they don't start work on this until like maybe the tenth game anniversary or something huge like that that they give us a sneak peek they just had the fifth anniversary last I checked but save this sort of thing for a big anniversary a hybrid with a male lion is a big deal and needs new mechanics around it. Needs to be saved for a special occasion.
from the option to claim a liger as an adult which corrupted hyena with all due respect to them is strongly against, to my general idea of having the tigress after impregnating her raise the cub and maybe at the earliest an adolescent have them join the pride with a random percent of the cub training bar done that can be boosted by supplying the tigress with items so she doesn't have to work so hard keeping herself and the cub fed and amused and maybe a midway between the king and an ncl in terms of stats...

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