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| Posted by | We have tigons, so why not ligers?! |
 MorningStar -G1Plumage 'stella (#25115) Fetish View Forum Posts  Posted on 2023-05-20 17:03:19 |
I'm sure it's been suggested before bbuuttt: ligers! Tigons are lion mom x tiger dad, where as ligers are lion dad x tiger mom.   In real life Ligers end up looking different to tigons and are much, much bigger, though have the same fertility issues as tigons. Obviously your lionesses wouldn't be able to give birth to a Liger BUT gen ones they could be obtained from a explore event. In explore your lion has a chance of comming across an abandoned pet - a female tiger, who you have the option of spending some time with. Then 8 days later whilst exploring again there's a super rare chance you come across the same tiger and she gives you a cub- the Liger which was the result of your previous... Activities. Adult Liger females have a chance of passing on the mutation in the same way as current hybrids, but gen ones can only be obtained from the rare followup explore event. Alternatively if people don't like the explore idea it could be a raffle: Once a month a female tiger visits lioden and every king has the chance to enter the raffle and 'woo' them! Whoever wins gets to reverse breed to the tigress and is delivered a Liger cub! (so everyone has the same chance as the raffle lioness, but instead of weekly, it's only once a month which would keep gen one ligers rare) Let me know what you think on this idea :D Also if you don't support please give a reason! I'm curious as to why etc |
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Corruptedhyena (#243378)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-08-04 16:34:48 |
again, no support for ligers being limited to an event. Also and tiger isnt a mutation. and a regular tiger wont join a lion pride. they are solitary.  1 player likes this post! Like? |
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Corruptedhyena (#243378)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-08-04 16:39:50 |
didnt see wulfs reply my bad: Lions or tigers cant leave while being young adolescents. Sure some lions may be alright if they leave in their later adolescnet years, but for the most part they dont have the skill and ability to hunt and survive properly until young adults. Besides the fact I dont agree with a liger joining as an adult, and they wouldnt be away from their mother as a adol or younger, we also have to attest to the fact that unlike other hybrids, ligers have serious health issues. Tigons, leopons, jaglions, all CAN survive. Ligers dont live long at all and have serious issues with growth and cancer. Sure lioden could just ignore that, but ligers are the one hybrid that really just cant survive. EDIT: the ONLY way I see this happening is if the tigress somehow dies. Either way, obtaining a liger is going to be impossible when breeding. So the only true option is patrol or explore. I can see perhaps your main male/sub male breeding with her and then potentially the tigress dying, and the cub is taken in. Other than that I see no other way. Even with this, It would still need a lot of fleshing out for me to support a hybrid being based on explore/patrolling 2 players like this post! Like?Edited on 04/08/23 @ 16:43:34 by Corruptedhyena (#243378) |
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MorningStar -G1Plumage 'stella (#25115) Fetish View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-08-04 16:43:44 |
Hybrids are not a mutation no, but we have them in the game, and I never said anything about a tiger joining the pride. That wouldn't be a good idea. You also mentioned about tigers not abandoning their cubs until 24+ months, well lions also don't give up their cubs at 5months either but they do in this game, nothing here is exactly like real life. But I also agree there are certainly other hybrids that could/should have more priority. @corruptedhyena Also the patrolling was just one idea, and not necessarily the best but it was merely a flexible consept suggestion 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 04/08/23 @ 16:45:45 by MorningStar999 (#25115) |
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Corruptedhyena (#243378)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-08-04 16:45:07 |
(i edited my post above) May be true, but cubs are going into another pride, so they dont lose out on that. Plus, if we want any sort of trading in the game, that has to be the case. And hybrids are not mutations irl but they are considered so in the game. Mutations/hybrids I beelive shoud be kept as realistic as possible for the most part EDIT: plus the issue with the cub being transfered here is the fact that the mother wouldnt give the cub up. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 04/08/23 @ 16:46:55 by Corruptedhyena (#243378) |
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Wulfraptor (#242597)
Pervert View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-08-04 16:47:25 |
our lionesses don't give up their cubs they get a sitter to watch them while they go out and hunt. not as realistic but a lot of pack animals do leave a member of the pack behind to watch the young. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Corruptedhyena (#243378)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-08-04 16:48:35 |
That isnt tigers. Tigers will leave their cubs hidden whilst they hunt. no one is there to watch. Occasionally the male might keep an eye at a distance, but that is still pretty rare but we can sell our cubs at 5 months 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 04/08/23 @ 16:48:52 by Corruptedhyena (#243378) |
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MorningStar -G1Plumage 'stella (#25115) Fetish View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-08-04 16:49:26 |
We have rainbow lions I really don't think we have to worry about realism that much. Like blind and toothless lions are not lethal but not being able to hear is leathal?! In reality a blind or toothless lion would rarely if ever make it to adulthood. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 04/08/23 @ 16:50:17 by MorningStar999 (#25115) |
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Corruptedhyena (#243378)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-08-04 16:50:58 |
Mutations are realistic. While lioden itsself may not be the most realistic, mutations are leaned more towards realism. And I stand for that. I personalyl disagree with toothless being none lethal, but that is for another thread. Even primals are based of real animals related to lions. Ultimately it is oppinion, but that is just mine. 1 player likes this post! Like?Edited on 04/08/23 @ 16:51:17 by Corruptedhyena (#243378) |
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frosty 🪶 (#229018)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-08-04 16:53:29 |
No support. I really don't think there's a need for ligers when we have tigons and it is practically impossible to make it sound reasonable at all. A mother tiger wouldn't hand her young cub over to a lion pride, *especially* considering they are solitary. I agree with the other things people have shared why this just wouldn't be a feasible idea. 2 players like this post! Like? |
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MorningStar -G1Plumage 'stella (#25115) Fetish View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-08-04 16:58:48 |
A toothless lion couldn't kill anything it would have to be fed by the pride not to mention it wouldn't be able to rip out chunks of meat and be able to feed itself very well. Clawless would also struggle. Point is I don't feel mutations are totally realistic as a lot more would have death rates and it would be less fun. (other hybrids also have health issues) I think in reality the artists are more likely to work on a completly different hybrid or easier muties which are line adjustments to existing arts 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Fraekinn [Semi Hiatus] (#57572) View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-08-04 17:01:32 |
Also no support, I agree with corrupted - whilst lioden's colour palettes are unrealistic, they strive for realism with their mutations and its something I really like about the game. @MorningStar - prides do that anyway? They tear chunks off for each other at feeding time of a carcass? 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 04/08/23 @ 17:02:00 by Fraekinn {7.7k Hexa Dawn Pie} (#57572) |
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Corruptedhyena (#243378)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-08-04 17:03:38 |
The only ones who really wouldnt survive are toothless, clawless and blind. Other than that all mutations can survive. Other hybrids dont have conditions that severely would affect their ability to hunt and survive. If they were somehow bred in the wild and raised by their mother, they have a great chance to survive. The same is not with ligers. Of course, some hybrids are yet to even be seen irl (snow leopard x lion), so we cant say for those ones, but tigons and leopons, even jaglions have been seen and studied to an extent, especially ligers. Of course nothing an be totally realistic, but if we look at mutations, for the most part they follow a general theme of realism, exept for some small things. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Wulfraptor (#242597)
Pervert View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-08-04 17:04:40 |
I make a habit of doing my best to not crap on other people's ideas but the idea of the submale who isn't allowed to mate bringing back his spawn with a tigress doesn't exactly fit the game's rules, but like I said for something like a ten year anniversery to do something that radical. I was a proponent of them being allowed to be studded out to OTHER players prides. I still am but that might change lioden a bit much for other people's taste. To be a little crass our king is cockblocking his boys in the pride but he might be happy to make some beetles off letting his submale get some outside of his pride. He already rents out his women sometimes. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Corruptedhyena (#243378)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-08-04 17:07:56 |
I would agree with that, but it is something others have mentioned about making patrolling more itneresting. But it doesnt change the fact that unless the mother tiger is to die, there is no way for the liger to be obtained and truly make sense. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Wulfraptor (#242597)
Pervert View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-08-04 17:30:25 |
the dead tigress is a little grim but could work, your king could find her on her last legs from an injury maybe a run in with a clan of hyenas she managed to chase off but sustained fatal injuries doing so... (a lot of ways for an apex predator to sustain fatal injuries actually) with the cub and she confirms your sub male is the father in explore and she knew what was coming and wanted her cub with its father (in the wild male tigers will take in cubs they think are theirs if something happens to the mother so she may expect the sub male to step up), or your sub male just brings back the cub and explains the situation asking for help since he doesn't know what to do with a cub on his own land can't bear to abandon his possibly only chance to be a father himself. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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