Deaf lions here are lethal even though they can live up to 4 years of age before passing. They pass on between 4 months old to 4 years old here. But yes, all lethal mutations in Lioden are, well, lethal.

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Ig Sirenomelia or Conjoined twins/two heads, since there's been countless documentations where conjoined twins survive adulthood ( without separation I tell you. ) and there's been some documentation about sirenomelia children living past toddler-hood.

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And of course, There'd be the Deaf mutation which I guess, the deaf lion would rely more on vibrations in the ground and their other senses of sight.

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In Lioden the cubs are conjoined at very vital places and will not be able to survive, seperated or not. I don't know where you got the information of adult conjoined lions, but they surely wouldn't be conjoined at a vital place and be able to make it to adulthood (if it is even true).

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We have seen adult human conjoined twins, I bet there would be adult conjoined lions, we're just not finding any yet.

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Adult human conjoined twins can live because we (humans) are not living in the wild with absolutely no healthcare. Lion conjoined twins are very, VERY different, they are lions, not humans.

Even human conjoined twins can be lethal, and it's very difficult to seperate conjoined humans if they're at vital places, though it has been possible before due to very specific circumstances (conjoined at head, a vital place, but both have a seperate brain, so able to be seperated). Conjoined human twins can also die from seperations due to, more often than not, one twin provides most of the resources for the both of them, and seperating them means the weaker one has a low chance to make it.

Also, quick addition, this is the first message upon conjoined cubs being born:

Your lioness notices her Cub... Is two cubs, joined together at vital places! She isn't sure if they are one cub or two. It... They both suck the milk though, but don't move much.

Second message ( last day of life as they only live for 2 R/O ):

While cubs this age learn how to walk and meet the world around them, Cub are having trouble functioning and struggle to move. They constantly trip and get into trouble.

To me, that implies they're unable to live their life fully & it's just not worth it to make such a rare mutation be able to survive (and seperation is not possible as they're joined together at vital places.)

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I have seen Jonus Cats live. However not a lion. But there are studies of cats living with the disease but because the cats live in the wild it's not possible in this case. So animal's can also survive but without human help its unlikely.

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Conjoined cats may live with human interference, but the place they are conjoined also heavily decides wether they pass or not - in LD, it tells you they are conjoined at vital places.

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So i tried to find the case where a conjoined lion lived in the wild, but i cant find it. So far there is no case (that i can find) were conjoined lion twins lived at all, let alone in the wild. Lions arent able to live that way without human prevention, so from a realistic point of view (which lioden tends to follow in regards to mutations), no support.


Plus as other said, from the games point of view, I just dont see this being sought out for. Lethals are already SUPER rare as it is to get in the game, and this would just be even rarer, to the point (at least i think) that it wont effect the game at all.

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So I just read everything and I would like to add, that reminder that these lions live in the wild. So in order for a lion to survive, it must be able to hunt very difficult prey, move at a fast pace, defend their territory from other males (if they are a male) and survive being a cub.

This would be a completley different idea if it was a domesticted animal or sort that has access to veterinarian studies, or a human who has access to a doctor, or even a pet or human that has food being given to them. This is not that, lions are wild animals that have to be fit to survive without any interevention. No lethal mutation on lioden can be in the wild and survive (deaf could MAYBE survive if that particular lion was EXTREMELY lucky). Tis why there are no recorded cases of such.

While lioden isnt entirely realistic, their mutations (besides primals) are very realistic, and I am one who would like them to stay as such. It is impossible (when including all of the external factors such as enviroment, lion behavior, and the fitness they need to do all the things listed above, for a lion to survive any of the severe conditions of lethals on lioden.



Going back to my other point about what it would bring to lioden, and excluding the information and math that has already been provided about the work that would need to go into making this mutation the way the thread states, since there is no way to increase the chances (to a reasonable amount) for lethals, there is a huge chance that only one or two people in the game may get this adult version of conjoined twins in possibly years and years from when the mutation would be released. And considering the fact that they are, well, conjoined, they wouldnt even be able to do anything. And personally I find the seperation idea pointless. If you want that, just get two lions. From the sounds of it, the art change would be minimal so it isnt even like it would look different, and it seems that it is being suggested to just have two normal lions. At that point the mutation is even more worthless than the normal conjoined twins. If I were to breed conjoined twins and all the sudden that happens, i would be really upset.

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I don't support because of the reasons stated above.

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" If I were to breed conjoined twins and all the sudden that happens, i would be really upset. "
- Corruptedhyena (#243378)

Why? Is it because you weren't expecting it? If so, I think a rolling for survival could fix that.

Birth message:

" -- WAIT! You see the cubs have a chance to even live besides that...! "

At 1 rollover...

" [initial message], however, they seem to be doing other things well, you could have hope for them??!! "

After 2 rollovers:

" There's still a glint of hope within their eyes, they aren't dead... For now. "

After 3 rollovers ( expected death time ):

" These two eventually woke up after their mom, you can see them powering through and such, they're alive! "

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I'm not corruptedhyena, but I think they expressed why fairly well. Because it just... defeats the point of them being lethal. And just. Consider the work the team would have to do for such a minute possibility.

Lethals are so rare on their own. THEN, out of all possible lethal options, it has to roll a conjoined twin. THEN, it has to roll the smallest chance for them to live. It's just a little silly. And there's no real point to any of it if the art just stays the same, etc etc.

Not to mention, this would set the precedent that other lethals could live too. More work for an aspect that will really affect no one because the chance is so tiny and defeats the point of it being lethal in the first place. They're made to be trophies, honestly. I support deaf being made nonlethal, but that's it.

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