Posted by No Uterus

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2023-09-26 10:31:04
Alright, my 2nd mutation suggestion today lol
I was just thinking.. "we have two uterus lionesses, why not no uterus!"
@readytest
"Maybe the uterus thing would be a prosthetic and would be avaliable only for March event? Maybe costing March currency to have it, and would be applicable by surgery preformed on humans via anesthesia and proper healthcare?? And a day before the end of the month, the prosthetic starts to be attacked by the immune system and would have to be surgically removed?

Maybe a higher chance of mutations ( higher chances that it's a lethal/semi-lethal mut? )"


EDIT: HOLY HECK THIS IS LONG- I DID NOT EXPECT IT TO BE

Why?
More Muties... lol
Since I know that visual mutations take a very long time, and I understand why there haven't been any in a long time (with the exception of Ticked Pie), why not a coded mutation! There wouldn't have to be any lineart or marking changes, so that should be a relief for the artists. While I love visual mutations, too, I would honestly love just any mutation.

[How It Works]
No Uterus lionesses would still be able to hunt/be broodmothers, just as regular lionesses.
They would have no physical differences.
They would have a set-in-stone 0% fertility, that cannot be raised with chasteberries, cannot be changed with a Vuka-Vuka, and cannot be bypassed with a Black Stallion or Angelic Blessing.

[They Can't Breed, Why Keep Them!??!?]
To hunt. Duh. And as a mutie trophy, same reason people keep clawless lions, maneless lions, etc.
People like muties. People (especially newbies) would be happy with any mutation born in their pride, even if it can't be passed/doesn't change anything visually.
And, we haven't gotten a new mutie in so long, I think people would be happy regardless to get something that isn't a new base or marking
If you are truly unhappy with your lioness not being able to breed, just remove the mutation. It isn't that hard.
[AMP]
This would be an Adult Mutation, as it wouldn't be known until it is time to breed. A dead giveaway would be the 0% fertility, especially if the mother had a high fertility, but hey, stuff happens, lol (and if I remember correctly, the father has a coded fertility that affects breeding, but I could be wrong)
Something that could make it extra-fun and interesting is you wouldn't know as soon as they age up. They would display the standard "this lioness will come into heat in X days" on their page, and you wouldn't actually know until the day you rollover and they are meant to go into heat. On your daily rollover summary, you would get a notification that says
"Lioness Health Notification:
Your lioness, [NAME] was distraught after trying repeatedly to breed. She was in heat, she knows it! She did the math! She went to the Fertility Snake to try and get some medicinal remedies to make the job.. easier on you, but nothing worked. Nothing happened. She went to the Scrying Stone to see what could be wrong with her, and was told the reason she couldn't breed was because she lacks a uterus! Even after comforting her, she is distraught with her situation. "
However, the mutation checker would still show "Adult Autation Present", and that showing after she ages up wouldn't work, so perhaps make this mutation non-checkable? It just appears as a random surprise? Not sure how that would work. We could just not do the not-knowing-until-she-goes-into-heat thing, and make it a regular AMP, but I do think that could make it more fun.

However, I do have reasoning as to why to make it a REGULAR, check-able adult mutation: Finally having a health-impacting AM. All of the adult mutations are just cosmetic (or practical, like DU), making the message that you get somewhat inaccurate. You are told there is "Bad News", but none of them are really bad or actually affecting the lioness.

Anyway, why do you support or no-support? Let me know :D



This suggestion has 17 supports and 39 NO supports.



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Edited on 16/10/23 @ 06:14:23 by Nebula // g3 stellar felis (#434371)

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2023-09-26 11:10:19
I don't support it because it seems incredibly pointless. It changes nothing that we don't already have in game with infertile lionesses.



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2023-09-26 11:14:21
I'm not sure it's any more pointless then clawless tbh, but then again those can breed

it just seemed random lol



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Edited on 26/09/23 @ 11:14:42 by Nebula [#1 Ankh + Sutekh Fan] (#434371)

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2023-09-26 11:20:31
I would agree, but the lineart is changed. No uterus isn't visible nor does it add to something we don't have already.



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2023-09-26 11:22:10
fair point
this was expanding on a random idea i had in the middle of the night lol



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2023-09-26 11:25:23
No support, I'm sorry. There's no lineart change and I feel it will only prove to irritate players, since the likelihood of potato lions will really just create a completely undesirable lion. Either that, or raise Safou Fruit sales through the roof.



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2023-09-26 11:27:42
yeah lol, i honestly didn't expect anybody to support this since it's useless, it's just because we never get mutations added anymore and at least this wouldn't be difficult to the sole artist that works on that stuff
(a better solution would just be to hire more pose and marking/base artists. one person working on all that is insane imo, all the other artists only really work on backgrounds and stuff)



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2023-09-26 11:35:48
No Support for the reasons stated by others

I feel like Lioden's issue isn't the muties themselves, but the fact most aren't posable. If muties such as Poly , Bobbed , Folded , ect , could be posed than the value / interest of these muties would increase decently.

It's just sad that such simple mutations can't be posed as you wouldn't need the official artist to do simple linework changes that require little to no additional coloring / changes. (Hell, give me the damn brush set and I'd be willing to do it). Most annoying part would be copying the second tail / putting some markings on the folded ear(s).

Personally, I do think a mutation where a female lioness had a male's mane would be cool. Not exactly a mane mutation, more so a gender specific one that's just the opposite of Maneless for females



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Edited on 26/09/23 @ 11:37:05 by bloodwyrm (#450143)

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2023-09-26 11:39:08
yeah, that does seem cool lol (like specifically a male mane, i see what you mean, and it would change if the mane shape was changed. i'd support that 100000%)

and yeah, tailless and bobbed would be super easy to pose, the only reason they aren't (i assume) is because it would mean they'd have to update all of the marking files for markings that are on the tail to erase them. and the saddest part is, that wouldn't be hard. i'd be totally willing to do it for FREE.


I agree with you on everything


(again, I came up with this at midnight and I didn't expect anyone to support it. Now I wonder who the heck did)



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Edited on 26/09/23 @ 11:40:10 by Nebula [#1 Ankh + Sutekh Fan] (#434371)

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2023-09-26 11:48:28
I can understand Poly / Folded / ect to a degree, as it would be busy work adding a single marking / coloring atop it. But Bobbed and Tailless is just laziness. Erasing it would be extremely boring yet easy.

I never understood this about Lioden as it'd be a win-win and a background artist / one-time artist could easily do this themselves if they can emulate the style already in painted work.

People will be spending more GB on poses / CRB , spending more on Opal / Rock salt for their CRB / Lion Meat attempts. More interest in the mutations and people collecting them more due to this. Would this make these mutations triple in value ? No. But sure as hell people suddenly find a soft spot with their accidental Bobby now that they can be posed? For sure.

If I found a way to make poses for specific mutations using Custom Decor I would. I planned on essentially doing it with my own personal lions (taking a wardrobe image of them as unmutated, adding the mutation.) and figuring out how people make their lions disappear / remove Lioden's lion art visually.



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2023-09-26 11:53:06
Bloodwyrm -
Maybe you should try suggesting that as its own forum post? Though I believe there may be a few posts on the topic already. Staff may not see it hidden here.



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2023-09-26 11:56:32
I feel like people already beg / ask for more posed muties. I don't think I'll be saying something people haven't heard.

In terms of the custom decor idea, I'd have to test with a Lab Frog + Female Pose to see if I can use the art system against itself. By using a Lab Frog on a female to swap them to male, then using a pose to hopefully make the game be unable to produce a lion art file.



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2023-09-26 11:58:12
@bloodwyrm // people make them vanish with translucent jellyfish, it's in the oasis i believe



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2023-09-26 11:59:20
Love the translucent jellyfish. I have one on my king so that I can instead have Lioden's Loverboys.



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2023-09-26 12:07:37
Big thank you , never scrolled that far down before !

I feel like whilst this thread originally was a suggestion for a mutation due to a lack of new mutations / new mutation art, it has turned into something more realistic / possible through Custom Decor.



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2023-09-26 12:08:46
yeah lol, i do recommend making a new topic though



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