Posted by A warning for at risk cubs

Bingo (#328743)

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2024-04-06 07:54:11
Basically, I feel we’ve all been scorned before having a cub we wanted age up and forgetting to give them a brood mother. I just propose a warning on the cubs page. Something like, this cub may die tomorrow if it isn’t protected.

And/or maybe the ability to choose a brood mother with available slots from the cubs page would help.

Edit to respond to possible counter arguments:
While there is the skull icon next to at risk cubs within the cave page, I believe it is easy to overlook, especially if the cub you want is among cubs you dont care about. A text box warning would be more helpful to those that need it, as you are more likely to click on the individual cub's page. it is also easy to ignore if you don't care for the cub.

There is already a very similar feature for un-nested pregnant lions, it would be no different.
The reason for this is that it would help players mitigate mistakes happening because of a bad memory or not being completely on top of which cubs are being kept.

And to clarify this: The ideal notification would be kept exclusively to the individual cubs page to avoid further congested den page notifs. A den page notif may also be annoying for cubs you don’t care about, so I reiterate that I would want this only for the individual.

While I agree there is some personal responsibility to be had, I think it is a fair balance, as it is still entirely possible for the cub to die. Cub death is very permanent and can be devastating. This is a simple reminder. It wouldn't negatively affect anyone, and only reaps positive benefits for those it helps.

I am not asking for this to solve cub death, as I believe it is a good balance to a relatively easy game. It’s entirely possible for a cub to die outright before getting an injured cub notification on rollover. I would be content even without a roll notif, just the banner would be enough of a reminder. I think almost every other type of danger that affects your lions gets a text box warning except for this.




This suggestion has 32 supports and 27 NO supports.



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Edited on 06/04/24 @ 10:18:57 by Bingo (#328743)

TheClassCalico (#88888)

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2024-04-06 08:12:27
There already is a warning. If a cub is at risk of dying due to a low survival bar, a skull icon will appear next to them on the overlay. Iirc, it is also on the cub's page itself, but I don't recall 100%.



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Edited on 06/04/24 @ 08:13:11 by TheClassCalico (#88888)

Bingo (#328743)

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2024-04-06 08:34:05
Sure, but, I can’t speak for everyone but I don’t often really look at that with more of a passing glance. There is the same warning for pregnant unnested lions, but there’s also a text box on the individual page.



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Mnada (#208144)

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2024-04-06 08:37:13
maybe a little banner message/rollover update reminder to protect cubs? i notice the skull all the time, as i only interact with lions with the lightning bolt, but ik it's also hard to look over if it's not your priority.



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Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2024-04-06 08:42:09
No support, a skull is plenty of warning. Even with it, it takes DAYS for a cub to reach dying low protection amount. Protect your cubs ASAP, dont leave important cubs unprotected and dont wait until last possible moment is all there is to do. Nothing will protect your cubs better than your own better managing habits. And a banner is no help. I ignore it all the time because I have random running NCLs giving a banner.



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Edited on 06/04/24 @ 08:42:59 by Mad Hyena (#29080)

Bingo (#328743)

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2024-04-06 08:53:03
It isn’t necessarily true that days of neglect happen, as they are protected whilst nursing.Most recent example, I pet a cub almost every day, they were weaned, were at 49% before rolling and they died. It is easy IMO to forget to assign them a broodmother after they’re weaned.Especially if you have lots of cubs you don’t care about dying, and only a few who matter. To me a banner is much more helpful than the icon, because the icon is small, easily overlooked, and the banner would show when visiting the cub itself, whereas the icon can be overlooked if it is among other cubs with a low protection. There is precedent for a warning like this, so it is far from impossible.

I don’t believe it would be an annoyance to those who don’t care, but I think it would be significantly helpful for those that do.



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Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2024-04-06 09:10:27
They are NOT protected whilst nursing, and you need to protected them starting at their day 0, as soon as they're born! What made you think they need to be protected once they're weaned? That's false, they need to be protected as soon as they're born



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Bingo (#328743)

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2024-04-06 09:12:25
My mistake, I meant, they can’t die whilst nursing, not that they are protected while nursing.




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Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2024-04-06 09:15:37
That's because their protection is not yet low enough, but it is NOT the reason not to protect them. WHY wait till their protection is low before assigning them to a broodmother? I fail to see the logic to wait until they drop protection so low. Why not protect them right away and guarantee their survival right away? You can tell if the cub is important or if it doesnt matter right from the moment they're born. Why not just immediately protect important ones as they're born, WHY wait?..



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2024-04-06 09:18:21
No support cuz of reasons mentioned before.



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Edited on 06/04/24 @ 09:19:41 by Silvestre (#463599)

Bingo (#328743)

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2024-04-06 09:29:43
It isn't a matter of not wanting them protected, it is a matter of forgetting to. You could make the same argument towards not nesting, sometimes you forget, thats fine, but is heavily mitigated by the existence of the warning on pregnant lions. This game is relatively casual, not everyone has perfect attention to detail. I don't believe it is actively harmful to add a warning like this. It would unobtrusive, it is helpful to those that need it.



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Silvesterer (#463599)

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2024-04-06 09:30:59
There's already a warning, that's it



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Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2024-04-06 09:39:40
If you dont have perfect attention to detail, then you can just as well miss the part of the bar warning you about dying cubs among the running NCLs warnings! Just as I said already, nothing will protect your cubs better than your own better managing habits. Start learning to protect them as soon as they're born. That way, they still have days before they die - you have several days, enough time to catch if you missed protecting one and protect it.

If you keep up the habit of protecting them only when they're at risk of dying, they WILL keep dying, even with a banner added. Because even with a banner, you can forget, you can get distracted, you can mistake needed cubs for unneeded cubs. The best and most certain way to guarantee their survival, is train yourself to protect your cubs ASAP. That's what works for me, and only it. No amount of reminders is better than just doing it right at the moment you deem a cub worthy of keeping.



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Mnada (#208144)

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2024-04-06 09:40:41
hyena, any kind of forum post i see you on, you seem to lack the ability to understand that others forget things, or dont look so hard at something they realise immediately. ill tell myself to protect a cub, then forget and i end up getting a shock seeing their at 18% and somehow still living, then i end up protecting. sure, thats my fault, but its not my fault im forgetful and lack SOMETIMES.

i do also like the idea of being able to select a broodmother from the cub page, as it's a fucking pain having to go find a broodmother for the cub, and in the meantime i FORGET. /lh.



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Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2024-04-06 09:43:01
Mnada, and you fail to see that no matter how many banners there are, they WONT help if you just miss them, distract from them, ignore them. It wont be a lifesaving miracle to add a banner if you just tend to forget things, because you will just as much forget that banner as well.

I reply that because I, from experience, know that it wont be a panacea. It wont help as much as it seems. What will help best is Better Managing Habit. Until that is developed - banner will still be forgotten. I speak that because from my personal experience, that's how it is for me. Of course, making yourself learn to do something a different way is hard. But the banner will not solve it like a magic trick. If you forget to look at the skull icons - trust me, you WILL forget to look at the banner too. I know I do. I ONLY starting managing my pride right, when I changed my own habits - no banners helped, only learning to ensure their survival at the earliest possible moment did the trick.

Down to the point I feed my lions every 2 days, despite food allowing them to be fed every 3 days - because then, I have an extra day "reserve" in case I forget or get distracted. Since I started feeding them every 2 days, I had 0 lions run out from starvation, EVER. ZERO. That's what better pride management habit does. Banner does not help as much as a better habit does.



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Edited on 06/04/24 @ 09:53:07 by Mad Hyena (#29080)

Silvesterer (#463599)

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2024-04-06 09:45:31
Btw this game is simulator itself. It even has toooo many different warnings and bars for simulator in my opinion

I mean, simulator game's goal is to make one "live another life", and this one should care about this game. When you just click buttons because game says you should – it's not simulator




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