Posted by [vv] Leucisim, Chimerism Mutations!

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2014-06-28 23:40:59
Mutations are wicked cool and I think there are some cool ones that have been documented in real life that would be awesome to have.

EDIT If you're going to comment about any of the following:
-"Real leucisitc lions are cream colored!"
-"We already hace achromia!"
-"We already have a white base and an albino base!"
Don't. I don't want to hear it. Just leave. I don't care because that's not at all what I'm suggesting. What I'm suggesting is depicted below. I don't want to hear how you can make a lion who's sort of kind of close to this with markings, because that's not a mutation, those are markings. Besides, Melanism is in the goddamn game and it can also be made very very very very very easily with onyx bases. But that wouldn't be the mutation, would it? I'm tired of hearing about it. If you're going to bring that here then don't, I'll just block you.

[EDIT] MELANISM IS IN THE GAME! You can see the first cub born with it here! http://www.lioden.com/territory_lion.php?id=128047120030 [/EDIT]

[EDIT]
I just wanted to make an adition to this thread and remove albinism and melanism from the list, however I wanted to show more clearly what I meant by leucistic. Yes, using a white base, with white mane and no markings would work, but that's not a mutation, that's just a collection of markings. What's more, they aren't really what I had in mind for the mutation at all. The leucistic mutation would look closer to this:

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As you can see, it's a far 'snowier' white, brighter and almost mythical looking, along with a darkened nose and lips/inner muzzle.

I still personally think leucisim would be a really gorgeous and frankly well-loved mutation!
I'm basing this look on this particular real photo of a leucistic lion:
beautiful_white_lion-wide.jpg

I also added images for the Chimerism :3

1. Leucism.
>This is a mutation that occurs when there is a significant reduction in pigment, resulting in white coloration. This is most often characterized with white or nearly-white coloration, but often with blue eyes.

This mutation would show up at birth and would be characterized by a white coat, blue eyes, and dark black nose/around the lips area. It would be completely white, including mane and other markings, if they had any. This could be seen as a bad thing for some users, but so are some of the other mutations. This is NOT the same as albinism, which I'll get into later.

2. Melanism
>The opposite of albinism, where the coloration of the creature is entirely black. This is the result of over-saturation of dark-colored pigment called melanin. This is how panthers occur in nature, as well as black lions, black tigers, and other creatures from snakes to elephants and so forth.

This mutation would also show up at birth, and would result and a pure black specimen. The eye color would vary, but all markings would be black.

3. Albinism as a mutation
>I'm a little confused as to why 'albino' is a base coat, because albinism is a mutation in real life in which there is a absence of pigment, especially melanin. I believe that albinism should be made into an actual mutation because that's what it is, and have it's base [and those already on the site that use it] just translated to 'white' instead.

The ablino lions would be characterized by pink/reddish eyes, and a white coat that would be more pinkish and 'clear' than that of the leucistic. Albino lions in partiuclar usually have a yellowish hue because their fur and skin lacks all pigment so ti tends to reflect the light. Leucistic lions are pure white, as in their pigment is entirely white and therefore would be more snowy or stark in comparison to the pinkish or yellowish hue on the albino. The pink/reddish eye is because of the cells that would have had color being clear and therefore showing the blood vessels through.

Albinism has a chance of being lethal because of it causing several other disorders that can lead to dangerous sunburns, skin cancers, and blindness.


4. Chimerism
>A chimera is a creature with two genetically distinct sets of cells. This commonly results in particular coloration, such as a split-difference between the two organisms. This makes the creature it's own fraternal twin, though is stable.

This would be a VERY COOL and non-lethal mutation. It would be characterized by the lion being split down the middle in two different colors. The most common cases in mammals usually involve a straight line in the face that splits it- there was an internet sensation house cat who had it, where exactly half of its face was black and the other was tortise shell. This would be the case here, as well- it could also work on all manner of markings, where half of the animal would have it and the other half wouldn't. This could end up with all sorts of mix-and-match and I've seen it where whole limbs will be different, but it's usually the face that shows the 'split'. It can be very subtle, such as there being a sudden end to a marking, or it can be drastic, such as one half of the face being black while the other is fawn or cream. It will almost always result in heterochormia.

Around the possible coding nightmare:
I am aware that coding a mutation like this would be a huge problem, but I was thinking it could be something like making a color that will 'wrap' around the lion's already existing colors.

Basically, for example, if we made the sections of the 'twin' black, then the black would cover up those parts of the lion. It would be a painted-on marking like stripes, but because it is a mutation, would not be a marking that is passed down directly or have a %.

I honestly have no idea how the coding for this site works, but that is just my suggestion for how it might work!

Here are a few photos of animals with chimerism!

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Edited on 02/09/16 @ 07:55:57 by Xylax (#4)

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2014-07-07 08:10:38
I still only support chimerism. Leucism would still be too similar to the albino base minus the pink which can be easily covered with white markings. On top of that, actual leuistic lions are creamy with faint markings rather than snow white like the image. It still wouldn't make much sense to make it a mutation when the white base would be truer to the look of a leuistic lion.

-http://www.krugerpark.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/chad-cockings-page_lions_21.jpg




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Edited on 07/07/14 by Mid [V.V] (#8680)

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2014-07-07 10:21:33
I'm sorry you feel that way, but I wholeheartedly respectfully disagree ^^



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2014-07-07 11:37:11
I agree with Mid, sorry. Maybe if leucistic could harshly dilute markings, base, etc?



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2014-07-07 11:55:07
I'm not sure I understand. Leucisim wouldn't be a new base. That's what it would look like, no markings, nothing. It would always look like that. Also from what I understand eye color can't be changed on the ablino mutation on-site so I'd assume you couldn't add markings, but, if you could I would assume that it would make the markings very faint.

But, no, the mutation would look like the image above. Pure, actual white [not cream like on-site] and no pinkish hues on the muzzle/paws.

Like, you guys got that it was a mutation, right???? Not that it would form a new base to choose from. It would be like the folded ears or overgrown claws/teeth, just something that has a chance of happening.



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Edited on 07/07/14 by Zed (#37065)

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2014-07-07 12:03:47
Piebalds ZED! PIEBALD!!!



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2014-07-07 12:05:40
PIEBALDS IS FOR ANOTHER THREAD NUTTERS. ANOTHER THREAD. I'M WORKING ON IT.



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2014-07-07 12:07:13
NUT WANTS PIEBALDS! DX



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2014-07-07 12:29:51
I'm not saying it'd be a new base. I'm just saying it would not make sense to add it as a mutation when we have bases that can make an accurate leucistic lion. White like aren't snow white, even with the mutation. They still look creamy colored. It'd be like adding melanism as a mutation even though we have black and onyx. Just clarifying, not trying to argue. Well just have to agree to disagree. XD

There was a suggestion for piebaldism as well but Xylax said it wouldn't fit in with the big cat theme so it wouldn't be added. I would have liked to see it as a mutation too. :c



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2014-07-07 12:34:49
I've seen Piebald leopards... D: Lots of other animals come in piebald. Even humans can come in Piebald! Large random pure white parts.

...Not to be confuse with Vitiligo... which is white speckling...



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Edited on 07/07/14 by Peanut (#38026)

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2014-07-07 12:44:11
I don't agree with leucism being added as a mutation, we already have achromia which is basically the same thing, except for the different eye colors ..
I just think it is a waste of time. Also, I don't think it should be as bright as the lion picture you posted. It is way too much. I think it needs to be toned down a bit.

However, I think adding chimeras as a mutation would be amazing.



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Edited on 07/07/14 by Sherrie (#7812)

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2014-07-07 12:44:28
In the case of humans it's actually vitiligo that causes the patches. I'd like to see a piebald leopard though that would be very pretty I imagine.



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2014-07-07 12:54:56
Depending on genetics... you either get the Cobweb Leopard. Which is just a panther with little Vitiligo spots all over. Or ya get marks like a paint horse. Snakes with Piebald are the most fun to look at.



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2014-07-07 14:31:11
Again, as I've said, the white base we have is not white but cream. The leucism mutation I'm suggestion WOULD BE SNOWY WHITE. I'm not sure how that's not getting across, I must be very bad at explaining things.




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2014-07-07 15:42:56
You explained it fine but you don't seem to be getting what I'm getting at.

The white base we have is a creamy color that accurately portrays real leucistic lions because the mutation does not turn them pure white like the image you have up, it is white, it's just a natural white color. White lions have less melanin than their tawny counterparts but they still range from blonde to near white. The creamy white base is accurate because they aren't snow white like the example. You can easily get that same look with the albino base and white undercover.



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2014-07-08 12:59:14
Piebald was shot down by Xy in a different thread, unfortunately. 3



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Edited on 08/07/14 by Oren II (#18629)







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