I think that a lot of the newer, more casual players are going to choose option two, because it makes the most sense. However, I think that number three is the best, as it makes it more reasonable, but those who put their money into raising lionesss' stats are also happy. Even the wealthiest of players still won't hunt too much, do to the fact that the price would increase with each time, but it would create a good SB sink, which is needed as this economy continues to grow. It would satisfy both those who like to add hunts to their lionesses, those who are more casual and can afford a few skips per day, and those who like to raise lionesss' stats fast, as those are the ones who can afford it.

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Ah, yes. Those I can agree on. All other posts for any other Option require at least a small amount of explained thought, '2' is usually the shortest I agree XP

Though as stated earlier by myself, all this debate once again gives me a new light and opinion on the subject. Though I am still partial to Option 2 myself.

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im voting option 2

unless option 4 starts out at very small amounts of sb (for both skipping and the additional hunts aka 100sb for the first skip and 10 sb for the first additional hunt)

i dont mind the teired option but i think it should start out more poor person friendly and after 5 (yes i mean the first 5 are all at starting value) or so uses get to the point where its 1k and maybe 500sb (per additional hunt)

also skiped hunts should never fully cap past 1k, but addition hunts SHOULD cap at an absolute max of say 15-20 /EXTRA/

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Not sure what to think about any of this. I spend a considerable amount of real money buying GB, and since I'm unemployed atm, I spend almost all day on here. I've never skipped hunts before, I didn't actually understand the benefits of it even if I spend so long on here, but now that I do [from reading the comments] and 100sb per skip is great for all players. Even new players can afford to skip a hunt or two if they've already done their 10 hunts a day.

Not sure why having high stat lionesses through hunting is a bad thing, in my opinion. Having recently paid 25gb stud fee with the top leaderboard male for 2 lionesses, and still only getting cubs barely over 1.1k in stats, it seem to me that the only way people will be able to get really great statted lionesses is by stat grinding.
People with time to play should be allowed to grind, since as it's been said before, they're the ones who are more likely to buy GB in order to breed or customize their high stat lions.

I don't know. But eliminating additional hunts is definitely unfair - the 10sb per hunt is good for all players and allows people to play more.

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"Hmm, I'm a bit concerned about going with a poll. My impression has always been that the majority of people on Lioden are 'casual gamers'. Many of whom don't know all the ins and outs of how stats work and also aren't invested in the game the same as those who put a lot of effort and/or money into it. I think the comments in the last news post show that. The most in-depth comments came from people who are invested and they were mostly against 'option 2'. People also don't always read news posts or comments either. A majority vote isn't necessarily going to point to an option that's fair for all or give truthful insight."

This seems to me the biggest issue here. People who love these features love them, and I get that. Change is hard. But people are simultaneously saying it is unfair for a feature to be taken away because a few abuse it, then also say it is unfair that it goes to a poll. Does no one else see the disparity here? Just because you spend money on a game doesn't really mean you should be able to dictate the course of it. If this many people believe option 2 is the best, as I do, and the admins go with it, think how many of these casual players may become serious ones and start buying GB. This is a game. It is a way to make money to keep this site going and hopefully get a bit of money in the pockets of the site creators. People who like to pretend that everything should be fair really need a lesson in life.

If the admins go with Option 2 then great. If they go with something else then I will look at their decision and decide what I want to do. If I stay I stay. If I go then I go. I joined this to have fun, maybe find a new community and chill out. Anyway this goes it isn't a big deal, and if you're so attached to a game that you're going rage-faced over it when it doesn't go your way then perhaps its time to try something else.

Casual gamers ARE the segment that spends the most money. 50% buying a few GB every month or so will bring in far more money than 1% or 2% buying a ton. It's why mobile games, games people spend such a small amount of time, are hugely successful in a monetary sense. People want to see some sort of reward for their smaller time investments.

Realistically the admins are going to do what they want to do. I think many here need to take a chill pill then take a step back and try to look at this objectively, rather than through the lens of your established patterns on this site.

Also I would hope the more avid players with multiple side accounts worried about fairness aren't going and voting with each account. Doubt there is a way to stop that. And mentioning it isn't because OPTION 2 MUST WIN OMG! It's because it gives a balanced view of what the voting membership of Lioden thinks for the admins rather than it being skewed by a few people who don't want to lose.

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@Shichibi I think that'd be reasonable so long as it's tied to the lionesses themselves . However as someone who likes to send one girl out on every hunt I do throughout the day with various hunting teams perhaps a max of adding 10-15 hunts per girl ? I think if there is a cap on how many hunts can be added that is tied to the lioness there wouldn't need to be one associated with the time skips .

I personally only use the time skips in cases where I had been away from my PC and felt I needed to catch up because I missed a few hunts . Or if I have the money just get my 3rd hunting parties free 10 hunts done before bed time .

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#3 is the best for me.

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The reason I did not choose #3 was because to me 1000sb is very high. If the increase is 100sb per additional, would that not be 1100sb, 1200sb, 1300sb each skip? Thats a huge penalty on players, it might as well be GB and stay GB, or jsut be option #1 to begin with.

It would make more sense to start out at 300 and add 100 sb per skip. 300, 400, 500 etc.

That is why I did not vote #3.

Additional hunts seemed reasonable at 100sb increase though because most players have more than 10 lions on hand that can hunt. That being the case, they can always send different lions out each time. The more lions a den has, the more food its going to need.

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Moose: How is it the fairest thing to go for now o3o?
The only people who will benefit from that are the casual players.
It WILL remove the whole competition from this game, you don't have anything to work for anymore and we can take the leaderboards away, at least the lionesses ones, because it will be equal at one point.

If we would really like it fair and square, we would have to receive a total stat-whipe of EVERY lion and then basically starting a-new with the new hunting system.
That would be the fairest way, especially with the "loophole" lionesses running around at this moment.
Plus, taking away the additional hunting feature means, that you HAVE to fulfill those 10 hunts per day or you WILL fall behind eventually more and more, especially when you have days where you cannot rollover, since you cannot re-do those hunts the next day ... since there is no option for you to add more.
Of course again, this only would affect non-casual players.

I think it is more fair to give people, who put more time into the game, a chance to take extra hunts, if they have the time.

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I agree with Koben. The fees suggested for Options 3 and 4 are way too expensive. 10,000 SB (1,000 SB per skip for waiting time) just to get ten hunts in for five lionesses (one hunting party) is way too expensive. I can't afford that! I don't think I've ever managed to get 10,000 SB in either of my accounts since I've been a member.

Recently to fund the current waiting skip I've been trying to sell what few GB I have, and I must say it is extremely hard to find anyone buying or selling GB/SB in the TC. It isn't easy to gain SB or GB. You have to work hard for it. To say otherwise isn't a fair view point. It could seem easy to some but it isn't to others. Option 2 is the fairest one for now until we/the staff can come up with a fee everyone can be happy with.

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The only problem I can see with this thread is that it is in response to the change this morning... The very fact that we are having this poll in the first place should suggest that there are issues with what is currently listed as option 2.

The other problem is that there are 3 options that include bringing back added hunts and only 1 that doesn't. If the community is split for bringing back added hunts or not, this poll exacerbates that problem greatly. The side of LD that wants the added hunts is getting even further split off into three groups. If anything, I hope that the admins can see from this poll that there is a significant potion of the community that wants added hunts back, and that this issue really needs a lot of consideration about who gets affected by the change. Seeing this poll today really makes me sad.

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Option 2 for sure :)

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Shichibi, I like the idea of having options to skip, but I just don't think they should be unlimited. None of the current poll options do it for me, really. I would rather go for keeping the low price skips but having only a limited amount of extra hunts per lioness, with tiered prices.

Stat wiping everything to get rid of the current ultrastat lionesses would not be fair to the people who paid to get them up that high, though. We'll have to sit those out.

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Those voicing that it's too expensive, the staff did mention prior in this thread that the SB/GB values won't necessarily stay the same if the choice is implemented.

That being said, I don't want to keep reposting my opinions and ideas for alternate solutions, so I direct you to my suggestions thread, where I have listed things I think are good solutions, and why, and why I think the poll solutions are far from ideal. Click for my suggestions topic with 4 alternate solutions.

I hope these can be taken into account, though honestly, I'll be fairly satisfied if 3 or 1 is chosen, despite being far from perfect. I feel that one of the options that I and other members of the community can come up with could be more fair on the entirety of the LD collective.

Griff: When GB was hacked into the system, GMO cows were refunded, and the GB was taken away. This is equally detrimental to the market, why would taking away stats +EXP and giving back SB be any different?

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