Posted by Gorilla Enclave: Donation Change

Maiq the Hoarder (#92244)

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2017-05-13 11:43:40
I was so excited for this feature, but the "questing"? Sucks. I have an EASY quest and it can't be done. There are no cubs that fit. If any were born, they got dumped in the tree. I'm not going to buy a mane color changer for a trash cub that I'm going to throw away for a small amount of teeth. So I'm going to propose a change closer to how I thought it would work.

First and foremost- It should still only be ONE cub a day. I'm not trying to make it easy, just do-able. (I said I don't care, but I lied. I would rather replace the quests, but it *could* be in addition to the quests. Either you could do a quest or a random cub, or maybe you could do both and donate two cubs if you happen to get lucky with the quest.)

Option 1: Replace the Quests


The idea is that you can donate Any cub and it would net you Gorilla Teeth. How *many* Gorilla Teeth would depend on the value of the cub. Some ideas on what values could be:

Cub 1 per day: 1 gorilla tooth for any cub no matter what
Gender: doesn't matter has no affect
Special Eyes: 3 teeth
Special Base: 5 teeth
Mutants: 5 teeth for Passable mutations
------------: 10 teeth for Mutations with *Over* 500 in game
------------: 20 teeth for Mutations with Under 500 in game
Stats: 5-499 - No bonus
-------- 500-999- 1 tooth
-------- 1000-1499 2 teeth
-------- 1500-1999 3 teeth (And so forth, but really how many 2000+ stat cubs are going to be trashed?)

Can you think of anything else I might have missed? Price adjustments? Keep in mind all of these would add together, so a 600 stat primal cub would be worth 7 teeth. A 50 stat cub with special eyes would be worth 4 teeth.

** Lex thought that Prize Prices should go up if this was implement. But keep in mind- if you donate a copy of that 600 stat Primal for 7 teeth every day, it would still take 42 days to get one applicator. That's a lot of time and a lot of mutants. Primal passes, but it doesn't pass *that* well.

** Heda Redbox suggested that stats be excluded entirely. That would be up to the discretion of the staff. I did make the return on stats very low since stats continuously build when you work for them. It is a *lot* of work though.

** Some people have expressed concern over monkey teeth being too easy to get this way. This is a possible lower price bracket.

Any Cub: 2 teeth (Easy gives two Teeth now)
Special Eyes: + 1
Special Base: + 1
Passable Mutation: +1
Non-Passable Mutation: +2
Stats over 999: +1

At that rate a non-passable mutant with 1000 stats, special base and special eyes would be worth only 8, the most you could get.

Both grids are based off donating only one cub a day! I don't see how this will encourage mass breeding at all.


Option 2: Edit the Quests


** Axel's suggestion for modifying quests rather than replacing them.
Easy: Ask for common eyes/markings. Bases are requested as base group. (solid/countershaded). No specials.
Medium: Ask for common/custom eyes, markings. Bases are requested as a base group and type (solid/countershaded/dark/medium/light). No specials.
Hard: All eyes, markings, including specials. Bases are asked as specific. Eg.: Onyx, Dark Fawn, Cream)

** Thalath suggested that all mane related items- color, shape and marking, be removed from quests because none of these would pertain to cubs.



This suggestion has 109 supports and 9 NO supports.



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Edited on 14/05/17 @ 11:44:52 by M'aiq the Wanderer (#92244)

*. David Bowie. * (#106463)

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2017-05-13 16:50:40
I think the quests should stay and be an option in addition to just donating, quests having a higher payout for their difficulty



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Laila πŸ’°
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2017-05-13 16:52:38
I do not support. People could give crap cubs every day, and get rare items for them.



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Maiq the Hoarder (#92244)

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2017-05-13 16:57:03
Yes, someone could give a "crap cub" every day and get 1 tooth every day. At that rate it would take them 300 days- most of a year!- to get even one marking applicator. That's a lot of dedicated crap cubs.

EDIT: I have a quest based only on a basic mane color. That cub doesn't exist, but what if it had asked for Onyx instead? There are tons of Onyx maned cubs, lots of whom are crap cubs, and I'm told the easy quest gives 2 teeth, not only one.



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Edited on 13/05/17 @ 16:58:59 by M'aiq the Wanderer (#92244)

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2017-05-13 17:01:09
I 100% agree with this, to be honest. From what I've heard one of the major points of the Gorilla Enclave was to provide an incentive to get rid of unwanted cubs and thus help fix the cub/lion market.

The way it is now, with everything being ultra specific with such a low reward per day compared to the cost of some of the items, it doesn't really affect the cub market at all. It's so specific that half the time you can't find the cub you're looking for and it doesnt actually help get rid of cubs that people could just sell instead. People are only going to look for the specific cubs the Enclave asks for, not dump the cubs that actually need to leave the cub pool.



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Bezthiel πŸ‰ (#81210)

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2017-05-13 17:13:45
I've cycled through several gorilla enclave quests, mostly "hard", both here and on my side.

They're impossible.

Not the cubs are expensive. Not they're not for sale. Not they exist on inactive accounts. A cub (and in several cases adol or adult) lion with those traits does not exist in the game. Either they were killed early or there simply have never been any bred. And if they don't exist, they can't be cluttering up the cub market.

So either the quests need to pick actually existent criteria or the system for turning in cubs should change a bit.

Make the criteria easier to achieve and up the price on the items, I think that's more than fair. If it's actually trying to clean up the lion market a bit, I need to be able to toss every crap cub there. I shouldn't get much for the ultra-terrible ones, but I should at least be able to dump them instead of being asked for things that are literally impossible to get.



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Laila πŸ’°
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2017-05-13 17:39:24
I changed my mind. I'm supporting, because I had to spend 12 GB worth on a sundust mane cub, just for this. It was an easy quest and other people were asking like 20 GB because they knew they could make a profit.



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Axel (#6627)

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2017-05-14 06:54:06
I like Heda's example of giving base groups instead of specific bases. BUT it should not apply to the hardest difficulty because obviously it needs to be difficult due to the larger payout.

Otherwise, no support. MTs are supposed to be harder to get, since there are pretty valuable stuffs to buy from the gorillas. I absolutely hated the idea first when it was suggested by the developers because it could encourage cub milling and rewarding mass-breeding but in this form, it is pretty acceptable.

Sure, there might be not many cubs for sale that you need but with time, people will adjust and surely all kinds of cubs will be available. Lioden as a whole simply needs to adjust to this new setting. Making it easier and handing out MTs isnt the answer.



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Edited on 14/05/17 @ 07:58:13 by Axel (#6627)

Thalath {Offline} (#41669)

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2017-05-14 06:55:55
This is how I thought it was originally going to work, so support

People already mill out tons of cubs, so I don't see how that really changes anything, to be honest. This is still going to remove a large amount of them from the game, possibly more than the way it works now, since some of the cubs may end up outright impossible to find, if they're extremely undesirable traits that no one breeds.

I think Heda's suggestion is really good also



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Edited on 14/05/17 @ 06:59:13 by Thalath (#41669)

Bezthiel πŸ‰ (#81210)

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2017-05-14 07:29:33
There's no "adjustment" to the fact that some of the cubs the gorilla asks for do not exist. They're not bred. Adults with those qualities barely exist.

I was asked for a male cub with a transvaal mane and a dudley nose. None exist. Yay! There are only fifteen lions like that; ten of them are on inactive accounts. All of them are female. There are three studs like that, none of which has been active since 2015.

I could ask a stud with a dudley nose to breed a few transvaal maned girls(or opposite, whichever), IBF them, see if they have the mane/nose combo. But then I'm just milling out cubs, whereas currently I do not. So this system actually more encourages me to mill out tons of shitty cubs. The way I see it, if any cub I don't want has some type of value, I don't have to randomly breed traits I hate into tons of cubs just for reason of throwing them out.



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Edited on 14/05/17 @ 07:30:13 by Bezthiel (#81210)

Axel (#6627)

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2017-05-14 07:45:25
Well, if you choose the hard mode or the medium one, obviously it isnt all that easy. Maybe keep doing the easy ones. That is what I am doing. Works pretty great. Didnt have to skip a quest yet.

The quests do not encourage you to breed. It encourages you to buy because you cannot have all traits, bases and markings in your pride. And if a lion doesnt exist... well... skip quest. Easy. You are not obligated or forced to finish all quests.



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2017-05-14 07:47:31
YESSS
*smashes the support button*



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Bezthiel πŸ‰ (#81210)

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2017-05-14 07:49:54
Of course I've skipped the impossible ones and picked a new one. But it says "hard" not "impossible to complete unless you breed a new cub". It shouldn't be encouraging me to breed new cubs, it should be encouraging me to buy a cub that currently exists and destroy it.

Had I not gotten several quests on both accounts in two days that are impossible to complete, this wouldn't be an issue. But so far a majority of the hard quests have been impossible unless you actually are milling out cubs.

And if you think those rewards aren't important enough for people to take up milling out cubs just to get them, I think you're mistaken. There have already been payments to people to make a second account just to get referral rewards.



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Edited on 14/05/17 @ 07:52:28 by Bezthiel (#81210)

cinβ˜†vo h2hoe (#106573)

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2017-05-14 07:52:17
I don't support because I think the option of skipping the quest for 100 SB is sufficient to deal with scenarios like the one you're talking about.



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Maiq the Hoarder (#92244)

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2017-05-14 07:58:51
@Cin,

As I stated earlier, I have skipped impossible quests, only to get a new impossible quest. On EASY mode, not hard. How many times do you think it's reasonable to pay to skip for only 2 teeth? And the price goes up every time you skip. We were all under the impression that the Enclave would be a cub sink. Right now it is only a money sink and source of frustration.



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Axel (#6627)

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2017-05-14 08:02:08
Of course they are impossible to complete right now. Give it time. There will be plenty of cub variations available because there will be a market for them. And the hard mode does have a pretty high payout. It is not impossible -since those variations should exist- but again, give it time.

As far as I know, what you mentioned has become illegal on Lioden. And to be honest, this isnt like referrals. Since the gorilla will not just ask for one type of trait but will ask for many many variations. NOBODY can keep milling these cubs because what one person seeks will be valueless for the other because they seek something else.

My point still stands.



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