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Psyche [Active
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2020-04-20 15:30:20
This is less a suggestion of the bases included and more a suggestion for the TYPE of base. If you don't support, let me know why! I'd love your help to improve this suggestion.

I think that most combo base fans can agree that Cloudburst and Nadir were done wrong to. There is no reason that they shouldn't be at least rare. Why are they common?

But they got me thinking... what kinds of combo bases should be common?

Introducing...

Fail Combo Bases

A "fail" combo base would refer to a base (common or uncommon, but I would prefer uncommon to increase the number of uncommon bases) that is a "fail." It can be achieved through several different (but similar) combos. It would replace *some* occurrences of the common/uncommon "fail" bases that show up now.

Similar Combo Examples

Elysian, Nadir, and Soul
Black Rose and Ember
Qahir, Hellebore, and Cairngorm
Arabica, Asiatic, Madagascar, and Olive
Temporal, Gilded, and Rose Gold
Snowflake, Cloudburst, Qahir
Cloudburst, Nadir, and Elysian
Elysian and Rose Gold

Examples

*Warning: These are extremely rough examples. I am not, nor have I ever claimed to be, an artist*

Black Rose and Ember Fail Bases


Qahir, Hellebore, and Cairngorm Fail Bases


Elysian, Nadir, and Cloudburst Fail Base Examples


The main reason for this idea is that there is no reason that a difficult-to-achieve and absolutey stunning combo base is "Common." This would provide new combo bases that are actually common/uncommon without infringing on the specialness of "goal" combo bases.

Example Breedings

To breed for "Tinder", all possible breedings are:
Black Rose OR Cinnabar x Black Rose OR Obsidian OR Jet OR Onyx
Ember OR Blazing OR Fiery x Ember OR Flint OR Pewter

To breed for "Struggle", all possible breedings are:
Qahir OR Buff OR Cameo OR Hallowed OR Russet x Qahir OR Chartreux OR Glacial OR Hematite OR Opal
Hellebore OR Lilac x Hellebore OR Udara OR Goldenrod
Cairngorm OR Celestial OR Ice OR Sidereal OR Skyward x Cairngorm OR Cocoa OR Ethereal OR Pearl OR Slate


Implementation

Obviously, this would be a big project. New bases would be introduced over a long period of time.

This would NOT influence the rate of achieving the "goal" combo base. It would just replace a few of the possible common/uncommon bases that pop up (e.g. in Black Rose Breeding it would replace some (not all) of the occurrences of Henna, Chocolate, Redwood, Chestnut, Titanium, Obsidian, Rust, Onyx, and Jet).

Fail combo bases and new "goal" combo bases are NOT mutually exclusive. I just think it is a good way to add in common/uncommon combo bases without denigrating the specialness of achieving a "goal" combo base.

TLDR;


These are bases that replace some current "fail" bases (like Chestnut, Redwood, Henna, Cream Lighter, etc). These can only be achieved via factor breedings, but would be common so would be based on factors for 2-5 combo bases.

If you don't support, let me know why! I appreciate criticism. If you don't feel comfortable commenting, feel free to PM me.



This suggestion has 465 supports and 27 NO supports.



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Edited on 09/06/20 @ 15:54:26 by Psyche [G2 2.5k BlkRose Pie] (#17971)

Thalath {Offline} (#41669)

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2020-04-20 15:30:55
I really appreicate that one of these is named "Struggle"

edit: Also, I like this a lot. Might be a little controversial but I'd prefer if some older bases were removed and these were implemented instead as "fails".

(when I say "remove bases" though I mean ones that are more unnecessary. Do we need Cream, Cream Lighter AND Cream Darker? And like 7 shades of almost the same Golden?)



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Edited on 20/04/20 @ 15:32:45 by Thalath {online} (#41669)

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2020-04-20 15:33:00
I really like that Tinder base idea... tbh the others are just kinda meh, to me. But support nonetheless!



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Psyche [Active
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2020-04-20 15:40:05
@Thalath -- Thank you! I have some comedic names for all of them, but Struggle is close to my heart, especially as far as combo breeding goes... Could you just imagine you have been trying to get a combo base and instead you get "Struggle"? One I have designed for the Elysian/Soul/Nadir combo fails is "No Dice". Also, I do hate quite a few of the old bases, but I'm not one to be super controversial. If you suggest that, I will definitely support it though.

@Sarandiel -- I'm not an artist, and these each took about 5 minutes in Gimp. They are certainly rough examples. If this gets a certain number of upvotes, I will certainly work a little more seriously with developing fail bases for these combos and for other combos. However, they are supposed to be uncommon fail bases -- nothing rare or special -- so meh is fine for now



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Edited on 21/04/20 @ 06:16:12 by Psyche [G2 Scattered BlkRose] (#17971)

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2020-05-02 13:26:05
As someone who desperately loves nadir. Full complete support. Nadir is a freaking pain to breed specifically because it’s common but it’s so pretty. Getting bluepurr or one of the others would make me so happy!
Tinder is hilarious
And misted is just beautiful!!
(Ahhh misted with mist eyes!!

The faded out combos also plays to that theme of keeping lioden naturalistic (even though it really isn’t?) they’re muted and really, really nice.

Support support support.



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Psyche [Active
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2020-05-02 15:00:52
@Feweren -- Thank you so much! I appreciate your support and your comments. If you have any suggestions (or additional base groupings), let me know!



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2020-05-02 15:04:38
I really love bluepurr (as a nadir breeder I'd be really happy to see all those fails haha)
also burnt rose, tinder, and struggle are great!



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Psyche [Active
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2020-05-02 16:20:34
Thank you <3
I so appreciate the support.
I would love to get this implemented



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2020-05-03 08:17:08
A lil bit more blending and they will be amazing! Loved and supported!



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Psyche [Active
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2020-05-03 08:56:16
@Kitsu -- I will get on that. I'm not an experienced artist, so any feedback helps xD



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2020-05-03 17:08:54
Bluepurr is my fave out of them all! I think this would be really good for combo breeders :)



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2020-05-03 21:21:29
Sorry, personally, none of these are appealing. They seem fairly messy and could probably use some touch ups, such as blending or coloration. No support for now, but this might change.



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2020-05-03 21:26:48
I like the spirit of this and think it's fun! Since people are chugging through lions to get those rare bases, we'll probably have a bunch of them in no time, but it's a little something special to get that isn't just a plain jane common base. Support!



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Psyche [Active
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2020-05-03 21:38:36
@OI JOSUKE -- Yes, I completely understand. These are by no means meant to be final drafts. I do not call myself an artist, and I definitely need a long tutorial with shading and blending. This suggestion is more the idea of the bases, with the bases that are included something of "rough drafts" or "sketches." If you have suggestions with coloration, let me know. I just think that fail combos would be a fun way to add common/uncommon bases to the game, add combos to the game, and prevent combo breeders (including myself) from getting so discouraged.

@Swift -- Thank you! I am sure that you are right that there will be a million by the time all is said and done, which is why I think they should be common or uncommon. But I think it would be a fun Easter egv for combo breeders, and be a way to add common/uncommon combos that don't sting in the same way that Cloudburst and Nadir do



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2020-05-05 06:59:13
I'm sorry, but no support. I'd prefer more bases are introduced to color groups as a whole that any other special base can fail into than to introduce a new sub-category of combo bases.



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Psyche [Active
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2020-05-06 09:06:38
@Berenos -- I certainly understand, but the two are not mutually exclusive. I think there should be more bases as a whole, but I know a lot of people who don't like combo breeding anymore because there is so rarely any pay off, and I think it is crazy that nadir and cloudburst are common. Throwing in some ACTUALLY common/uncommon bases hurts nobody.



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