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| Posted by | Fail Combo Bases |
 Psyche [Active Again] (#17971) 
Impeccable View Forum Posts  Posted on 2020-04-20 15:30:20 |
This is less a suggestion of the bases included and more a suggestion for the TYPE of base. If you don't support, let me know why! I'd love your help to improve this suggestion. I think that most combo base fans can agree that Cloudburst and Nadir were done wrong to. There is no reason that they shouldn't be at least rare. Why are they common? But they got me thinking... what kinds of combo bases should be common? Introducing... Fail Combo BasesA "fail" combo base would refer to a base (common or uncommon, but I would prefer uncommon to increase the number of uncommon bases) that is a "fail." It can be achieved through several different (but similar) combos. It would replace *some* occurrences of the common/uncommon "fail" bases that show up now.Similar Combo ExamplesElysian, Nadir, and SoulBlack Rose and Ember Qahir, Hellebore, and Cairngorm Arabica, Asiatic, Madagascar, and Olive Temporal, Gilded, and Rose Gold Snowflake, Cloudburst, Qahir Cloudburst, Nadir, and Elysian Elysian and Rose Gold Examples*Warning: These are extremely rough examples. I am not, nor have I ever claimed to be, an artist*Black Rose and Ember Fail Bases Qahir, Hellebore, and Cairngorm Fail Bases Elysian, Nadir, and Cloudburst Fail Base Examples The main reason for this idea is that there is no reason that a difficult-to-achieve and absolutey stunning combo base is "Common." This would provide new combo bases that are actually common/uncommon without infringing on the specialness of "goal" combo bases. Example BreedingsTo breed for "Tinder", all possible breedings are:Black Rose OR Cinnabar x Black Rose OR Obsidian OR Jet OR Onyx Ember OR Blazing OR Fiery x Ember OR Flint OR Pewter To breed for "Struggle", all possible breedings are: Qahir OR Buff OR Cameo OR Hallowed OR Russet x Qahir OR Chartreux OR Glacial OR Hematite OR Opal Hellebore OR Lilac x Hellebore OR Udara OR Goldenrod Cairngorm OR Celestial OR Ice OR Sidereal OR Skyward x Cairngorm OR Cocoa OR Ethereal OR Pearl OR Slate ImplementationObviously, this would be a big project. New bases would be introduced over a long period of time.This would NOT influence the rate of achieving the "goal" combo base. It would just replace a few of the possible common/uncommon bases that pop up (e.g. in Black Rose Breeding it would replace some (not all) of the occurrences of Henna, Chocolate, Redwood, Chestnut, Titanium, Obsidian, Rust, Onyx, and Jet). Fail combo bases and new "goal" combo bases are NOT mutually exclusive. I just think it is a good way to add in common/uncommon combo bases without denigrating the specialness of achieving a "goal" combo base. TLDR;These are bases that replace some current "fail" bases (like Chestnut, Redwood, Henna, Cream Lighter, etc). These can only be achieved via factor breedings, but would be common so would be based on factors for 2-5 combo bases. If you don't support, let me know why! I appreciate criticism. If you don't feel comfortable commenting, feel free to PM me. |
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Berenos|On hiatus (#84593)
Resurgent View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-05-06 09:20:24 |
@Psyche The combo base in itself should be the reward. Giving them their own "combo fails" would do nothing more than add more bases that are difficult to breed, while adding simply more uncommon ones to the genetics that are lacking them would be good news for everyone. I recall Cloudburst and Nadir were given common genetics so they wouldn't be as hard to breed, which is the reason you propose combo fails. I could see introducing a new item to help along the chances of triggering a combo base, but not this. Honestly, the base genetics have enough issues already without adding another extra layer of difficulty to the thing. There's already common, uncommon, rare, special and then the particular hell that is special-breed only hybrid and medium bases. Having another set of separate genetics with its own combo quirks innaccessible through usual breeding would just add more fuel to the fire.  0 players like this post! Like? |
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Psyche [Active Again] (#17971)
Impeccable View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-05-06 09:29:25 |
@Berenos -- Okee doke. We can agree to disagree. Again, I don't see how giving combo fails harms anybody. We can add more uncommon bases AND add more combo bases. Uncommon bases have *the fewest by far* number of bases. I think doing both -- adding fail combo bases and adding uncommon bases in general -- would help to correct that. There should at least be as many uncommon bases as there are rare bases. Additionally, when you think it "adds fuel to the fire," I think that fail combos would be interesting and fun. The common-ness has not, in my research, made cloudburst or nadir easier to breed, especially cloudburst that must be bred in the wet season. My king is a black rose, and the rate per breeding that a nadir shows up is around the same as a black rose. I also think that you are missing the point... these bases are fails. They are not difficult to breed. They would just add more diversity. And a bit of fun. I think adding an item would make combos -- like dwarves have become -- less special. The intent of this idea is not to make the goal combo bases less special, but to make there be common/uncommon combos that make *sense.* Why should something be uncommon if there are only 3-5 bases that can breed it? 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 06/05/20 @ 09:30:17 by Psyche [G2 2.3k BlkRose Pie] (#17971) |
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Birdy (#182860)
Remarkable View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-05-06 14:09:23 |
I really like Bluepurr and Bust! Idk what it is about but, but there's something about the way the Bust base is marbled that I really enjoy. Huge support! 0 players like this post! Like? |
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🌻honeycloves- [11bo finch] (#199833) View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-05-06 18:50:51 |
This sounds like a cool idea! I like the idea of having a pleasant little failure alongside your rares and total screw ups :) Misted is my fave. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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🥚Alato [DoveDawn] (#141316)
Lone Wanderer View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-05-19 15:55:10 |
No support, they personally aren’t very appealing. Misted looks kinda okay though. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Enjolras (#189510)
Majestic View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-05-19 15:55:42 |
I want to own all of them but bluepurr is my favorite  Tinder is awesome too 0 players like this post! Like? |
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❄️Polar Expresso [G1Primal (#25037) Spanker View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-06-04 22:14:00 |
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🌻 the serval spots (#98320)
Heartless View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-06-09 15:51:35 |
No support, I don't think any of the mockups are appealing. I think that this concept would only be a good one if the fail combo bases could be bred back to combo fails or the combo itself to make the actual wanted combo base, or else this concept would fall apart. For example, Kimanjano x Fulvous is what I usually breed to make Citrine. When I don't get Citrine, I often get another Fulvous to continue trying again, which keeps momentum. Same with Elysian x Ebony often making more Ebonies. But if I got a citrine fail combo instead that wasn't a good genetic group, I would probably just get rid of it instead of being able to keep trying, and it'd be pretty annoying and get in the way of my actual combo breeding. The fails of the factors of most combos are important, which is why lots of combos have commons/rares- so that it's easier to get more factors from factors and make combo breeding accessible. I think this concept has potential but right now it would get in the way of breeding and there are probably better things to fill genetic groups with. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Psyche [Active Again] (#17971)
Impeccable View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-06-09 15:59:41 |
@the serval spots -- I think having them as additional combo factors couldn't hurt. However, I do want to note that this is not going to influence the rate of getting ebonies or onyxes or kimanjanos or fulvouses. The ONLY thing that would change would be the rate of getting individual COMMON bases, as these are additional COMMON bases. The only combo bases in which fail breedings significantly give rise to common factors are arabica and asiatic. While albino and jet and obsidian are common, they are a dime a dozen. I cannot see how this would make achieving breeding projects any harder. Otherwise, most combo factors are uncommon, rare, and special. If you wanted, we could even bump it up so that all combo factors are at the very least uncommon. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 09/06/20 @ 16:01:59 by Psyche [G2 2.5k BlkRose Pie] (#17971) |
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🌻 the serval spots (#98320)
Heartless View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-06-09 16:09:40 |
^^^ Your point is true, but I actually think having common bases as combo factors is a very good thing. I still don't think it's a good idea to discourage that. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Psyche [Active Again] (#17971)
Impeccable View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-06-09 16:18:23 |
In which case, another option is to move the uncommon combo contributors to common, then have these as their own version of "uncommon," which still wouldn't hinder the rates much. Additionally, I think that would make some sense, as uncommon has the fewest bases, but logically it should have the 2nd most. The biggest thing that I have found, which kills me, is that, right now, out of maybe 100 cubs, 5 are "goal" combo bases, 15 fails bases that are factor bases, and the other 80 are ones I just kill on the spot because they are common and don't factor into anything. I get so many titanium, chestnut, henna, chocolate, redwood, cedar, cremello, fallow, sandy, brown, mahogany, and sienna. I get mad, and I know a lot of other combo breeders do, too. Maybe these could be additional combo factors, which actually encourage combo breeding because you might get fails you can use. Don't tell me you don't get sick of the number of ducats, oatmeal, saffron, sunflower, deira, doubloon, jacinthe, ochre, wheaten, bone, sunglow, bisquit, etc that you get. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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EntityofSilo | G4 (#107570)
Badland Strider View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-06-09 21:57:27 |
These names are brilliant oml. I would love this-- just a little mini consolation prize for bad luck with combo breeding. If combo fails are implemented I honestly might try breed for more combo bases just to collect the fails. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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