Posted by .: Merge the July Events :. #BringBackJuly

Lex πŸ¦‹ {Brief
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2021-07-16 18:42:17

#BringBackJuly

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As I have said before; I am AWARE that the "full version" of the event is not available and it will not be until next year. I am AWARE that the admin and art teams put in a lot of work for this event. I am very thankful for them. Xylax, Deertush, 7th, you guys are amazing and I love you. This thread is in no way meant to downplay your skills or capabilities, because your art is fantastic and i and everyone else appreciate everything you do for us to keep the game fresh and beautiful. This thread is being posted because I would like to hear suggestions and input from the rest of the community, because i am aware that myself and most of my friends very much dislike what has happened to the July event in terms of the rehaul.



What the Data Shows
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As the Lioden Admins have shared with us today,
this was the feedback given on the event survey last week:

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This feedback is overwhelming. 36.4% of players said they liked everything about the event. 33.1% of players said that they liked the content, but not the storyline. This is a total of 69.5 percent of players. That's almost 70%, or 7/10 players.

If you were to remove the outlier data, which would be the "not applicable" padding, and instead only focus on those who have played the old event, it would be a total of 80.4% overall. This brings us to..... 69.5 out of 80.4 players overall liking the old event.

That leads me to the following solution, based upon the facts and evidence laid before me with surveys from the lioden population. The problem wasn't the characters. The problem wasn't the event. The problem was the STORYLINE.


So, what do are you suggesting?
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The Lioden Admins stated in the news post that the characters will be retired and the event
will be moving on.. but this is NOT what the people have voted for,
and not what the people want!

Please, it can be worked out so that everyone is happy.
Here's a bulleted list of what I had in mind:

βœ— -- RETCON THE STORYLINE, NOT THE CHARACTERS. -- βœ—

What a joy, that we live in a world where things that are fictional can be changed! When the event came out, people mourned what Apedemak was and who he used to be. Everyone loved him! We can go BACK to that! All that has to be said is, "We understand the story did not come off as appropriate or sensitive to those who it may have effected. We're going to do better." and then.. make a brand new storyline! Where those things NEVER happened! It literally never has to be talked about again! It was a mistake, and mistakes can be forgiven and forgotten!

βœ— -- REPLACE ZIMBABWE WITH THE CELESTIAL EXPLORE. -- βœ—

This is the biggest compromise I can think of; Zimbabwe did not fit into the event, and neither did firefly catching in the forest. But the Celestial explore has potential, way more potential with the Celestial Family than Zimbabwe ever did. It would be merging the two events together, so everyone can be happy. It could even end up being part of fetch quests, where you have to collect stars from space creatures in order for Menhit to line her nest for her and Apollyon's celestial cubs; all it needs is tweaking for how it works, and it would be the perfect replacement.

βœ— -- IMPROVE ON THE LORE OF THE CELESTIAL LIONS. -- βœ—

There was so much that could have been done. Tefnut's backstory, Apollyon's Backstory: It could have gone so far! There could have been one year where we helped Menhit prepare for her cubs with apollyon by doing funny little tasks for her, there could have been a year where we met Apollyon's parents and helped them solve problems for the fire lords. There's so much that could be improved on and expanded, the old storyline could have been left completely in the dust!

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On Merging the Events
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βœ— -- THE CELESTIAL ANTHOLOGY : ADD A SHORT NEW STORYLINE EVERY YEAR. -- βœ—

On Year 1, We focus on Apedemak. His story introduces the Celestial Lions, Who they are, and how they got here. His focus is on getting back to his family, and our lion assists him on helping to craft the Celestial Portal. To thank us for agreeing to help him, Apedemak blesses us with the ability to become temporarily celestial: our lions become just like the starry-pelted gods, for a short time, and are able to access the Celestial Explore to help him. Once the portal is unlocked, on Tier 3, we find out that Celestial lions can pass through it as many times as they like, but regular lions cannot. Apedemak leaves, but he promises he will see you soon. This opens the door for new celestial lions to come through every year, to continue the anthology.

This not only includes Apedemak, Apollyon, Menhit, The Demiurge and Tefnut, but there's also a handful of Celestal Pelts that have not been used yet that could be brand new lions: Dawn, Sunrise, Leonid, Stratosphere, Meteorite, Moonstone, and Labradorite.

βœ— -- THE CELESTIAL EXPLORE: ENEMIES REFLECT THE NEW ANTHOLOGY. -- βœ—

Instead of having space dragons and aliens that are insane for our lions to even attempt to fight, the Celestial Explore can instead have enemies that reflect the current theme of the year. Not only would it keep the art fresh, but it would feel like a new event without really being one.

For this event, we could fight starry versions of regular enemies and new enemies to complete quests: Collect horns made of light from Celestial Wildebeest, Fight Celestial Lions who have also gone astray, and more. Once an entry for Menhit is added, new enemies that reflect the her anthology could be added. Big Golden Sun-birds to collect feathers to line her nest, Dark Shadowcats that want to steal her cubs once they're born. The possibilities are endless.

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In Closing
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Please, admins. We all love this game, that's why we're here.
We love every part of it, and the July Characters were a big part of that.

Consider reflecting over the points i've made above and the points that people will make in the comments, and hearing what we have to say about the game we've all watched grow together.


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Orchid Pie (#73075)

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Posted on
2021-07-18 02:44:52
As always, Lex, I completely agree with what you said in both July threads!

I myself voted that I loved the event, but not the storyline BUT I think this rehaul has potential.
I dislike the event now a lot, but it has potential, it just needs to be dug out from the blackhole.

Merging these two would make the event more interesting story and gaming-wise since you would have cohesive, stringed together content that made sense and you would also get currency without this constant grinding. I am close to getting three markings apps this year, instead of one I did last year, but only thanks to grinding at night in explore and yeeting those saved, precious lucky feet at the enemies. And using heavily player-made battle guides. I was hugely disappointed to find battle heavy event after one very heavy battle event back to back. Like I was so close to stopping rolling over mid-June thanks to battling and now this after that? When I started in 2015 events were way more lore and explore heavy than battle orientated. And I very much preferred it!

Why has none of my kings ever gotten past level 20 in exploring these past 6 years? Because I hate battling and only do it when the event makes me do it. Do I like to battle in events? No. Do I need it to level up? Yes, but I don't _need_ my king to level up to get stats since you can barely do anything with high stats, like battle these sneks.

I am a busy woman who is starting school very, very soon, and I would like to spend my small breaks exploring and joining the events. Yesterday at work's lunch break I got in here, yes, but aside from speedily spending my energy at explore to get meager AC I did nothing else there. It was boring and I just speed clicked through.

Merged event? YES PLEASE!




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DevilishDemons
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Posted on
2021-07-18 11:57:50
This is honestly the biggest thing that I've been missing this year. I miss the storyline, I miss the characters. I always feel like the events with full storylines always have more love and are better events, so for one of the big storyline events to basically turn into one of the less interesting events, it breaks my heart. Don't get me wrong, I completely understand why some events are smaller than others, but I always like the July event, even though the storyline wasn't the greatest. And for all of it to be wiped clean and left with a sad aftermath just makes me sad. If they did this, bringing back some of the characters older players have grown to care for, then I would love it. I miss interacting with these characters, please Lioden, bring them back.



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[β–³] Nadir (#108458)

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2021-07-18 19:03:56
I'm supporting. I never thought as someone who loves cryptids and monsters and space that I would be in these threads so frequently voicing my dislike for the current trend but here I am.

Please, devs. I want events that focus on lions and Africa - that's where this game takes place.
That's why I joined Lioden over all the other websites like it. It's why I'm not a fan of wolf games. It's why I can't stay on dragon games for long. I loved Lioden because I love lions and Africa and culture.

I'm at the point where I'm so tired of the core concepts behind Lioden being erased. I was heartbroken when June's event - which focused on African culture - was removed and replaced with Egyptian stuff. Egypt is part of Africa, sure! But Egypt is also everywhere in games. Lioden's focus on something different was refreshing. Why on EARTH would you remove such an interesting and unique event like June's and not rework it? The idea of humans in tribal communities working with your king/queen to help save their pride was so lovely! It brings into a symbolic light how these animals matter to them, and why they have existed side by side with African wildlife for so long, rather than sought to wipe it out or control it.

I know there's a vocal number of individuals on this site staunchly against humans appearing in Lioden but animals have important cultural significance to the people of Africa, and it was *nice* to see it represented. That's gone now. Egypt's gods are just treated like the new Laharu and Nirah: ship-fuel. It feels shallow, but at least June has a story that's relevant to our lions.

The concept of Celestial Lions was what kept the old June event tied to lions and Africa. It's something your lion could relate to, and pick a side to help fight. And yet again, an event tied to the theme of this site has been swept away, despite people expressing their problem was the storyline's explicit and uncomfortable content, NOT the actual theme. The only thing it needed was a re-write and updated art.

I like the idea of exploring the celestial realm along side the story of the Celestial Lions. That actually makes it suit the theme very well. I'm fine with keeping the Axion Cores, and the AC Shop, and the Tefnut Temple as an SB currency shop, and keeping the apps in the AC shop.

But I'm tired of facing off against cosmic threats. I'm tired of my normal lion fighting gods and insane monsters.

Please put the Africa back in Lioden, dev team... I'm begging you. Lioden was a unique enough concept all on its own.



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Edited on 18/07/21 @ 19:05:30 by [β–³] Nadir (#108458)

Lady Lannister (#1894)

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Posted on
2021-07-18 21:36:15
Nadir, you've explained it better than I could, well done! Our lions having to deal with potential lion star gods, actual angels/demons, crazy rabbit hunting lionesses, it's all fantasy but with a grounding point in reality via our lions and how they deal with it all.

I'd love to bring Appy, Menhit,Tefnut and Apboo back, a rewrite where you have to help them with their kingdoms would be fine, like with the angel/demons. They grant you abilities based on their coats or something. Fire for Apboo, Light for Menny/Tef, and Starlight/Moonlight for Appy.

Maybe the celestial plague is wiping out various celestial kingdoms, like one for each of the animal constellations or for 12 zodiac signs. One of our favorite NPCs could be in contact with them, forming alliances by saving each kingdom perhaps. You could have that kingdoms' ruler pop up throughout the event, like a Scorpio lion or the dragon lion thing from this event, it could rule the Dragon kingdom/constellation and would need our help.

We'd spend the month collecting meteor shards and doing daily quests, maybe have quest goals to unlock different rewards and the story could unlock a different chapter once a week or so. The story would complete and maybe pick up from there the following year with a different kingdom and an update on the kingdom you helped last time. After eventually getting through the constellations/signs you would reach the epic conclusion and unlock titles or something along those lines, something to make it feel like you just helped a great cause. After doing all of that you could replay it all over again, maybe picking different kingdoms to help this go round and reaching a little different conclusion then the last time maybe?

Or if you went with the 12 zodiac signs, each main NPC would recruit 3 of the kingdoms(or 4 if Tef couldn't be worked in, maybe she could be a healer/negotiator between the kingdoms with her temple being the meeting ground),and the first year would be recruiting them and the next would be laying the groundwork for the upcoming Battle of the Kingdoms, and the year after that would be the exciting conclusion and destroying the celestial plague 'forever'. The year after that you could replay the events all in one go, maybe choosing a different NPC/ combo of kingdoms. Like, Scorpio, Gemini and Aries would be #TeamAppy and Libra, Virgo and Taurus could be #TeamMenny, and you went with Menhit this year but wanted to go with Apedemek this round for different decors/background/ cool character moments.

It could be done enough that everyone could rotate their chosen NPC and after that maybe the plague could come back with a crazy rogue subject from one of the kingdoms who was the one who came up with it originally and everyone has to come together to put them down once and for all, maybe with different endings depending on choices. And after alllll of that? The next year can be the aftermath of everything, adding a little bit of stuff, like Menhit and Apboo having little cubbins or Appy and Tef on a mini vacation, with his corny flirting and her humoring him. Eventually the cubs would grow up and maybe they could be used in future events because I would love that.

It could be ever changing, or replayable or both, the admins could put polls out asking which way the players want the story to go,and they can go with majority rules and write/plan the next part based on that. It can be fresh without needing to wipe the characters out of existence,ya know?

Holy grand biscuits, this turned into an essay, sorry guys.




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Edited on 18/07/21 @ 21:40:00 by Lady Lannister (#1894)

[β–³] Nadir (#108458)

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Posted on
2021-07-18 23:34:47
Wish we could upvote posts. But yeah, even the post above is tied back to our lions.

Another idea: Remember those animal Zodiac constellation decors? Why not turn those into representations of beings we work with for this event? Menhit asking you to help them, which is tied into protecting the animals of Africa that those constellations represent. Like, damn, there's dozens of ways to do this, that could keep it grounded in Africa.

Imagine the following:
Menhit gives you a quest. She wants you to search during the night for a herd of animals that's not quite like the others.

You come across a gazelle, whose name is Capricorn, that is standing among a group of normal gazelle. It shimmers oddly, its body is see through, and you can see thin threads connecting star-like orbs. He requests your help.

This is your quest to help Capricorn, and the herbivores of the land. You're saving them from dragon-like star monsters that are hunting them in the night for sport, leading them through the darkness. You must find and escort 5 groups of animals that appear scared.

Another quest:
Menhit asks you to search the savannah during the day for a lion whose fur is like the sun.

You encounter her in a field, a strip of fire down her spine and eyes like embers. Her name is Leo, and she requests you aid her in combat to kill as many of these dragon-like monsters as she can, and it begins a quest to kill 15 of them, then return to her.

Every day for 12 days, you could have a quest to help the Zodiac animals, at the end of which Menhit ask you to enter the gate of the Celestial Kingdom with her, Leo and Capricorn, to finish the job and keep both of your worlds safe.


I could go on forever, coming up with concepts that kept these things relevant to our lions and the world they live in, and still touch base with the original story, except now Menhit is trying to fix everything that went wrong.



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Ulfruna (#19599)

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2021-07-19 10:45:40
Ecchoing Nadir - I want Lioden to actually feature LIONS. Not two months of SNEKS. I want it to actually have some grounding in the realistic-fantasy of the original Lioden setting. I feel like if the artists are tired of drawing lions and want to draw reptiles, go start a reptile themed sim. This is LIODEN. Not SNEKDEN. While some aid-trip fantasy can be fun, I don't want to feel like I'm playing a completely different game. /EndRant



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Posted on
2021-07-20 02:31:09
I'm not a fan of your idea of implementing a new "mini-storyline" every year, but the merge sounds overall fantastic. Expanding the celestial lion lore and linking it with celastial explore sounds great.



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Posted on
2021-07-20 02:34:01
Support!



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di (#126735)

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Posted on
2021-07-20 08:01:58
I'm really, REALLY not into battling. I dislike battle heavy events. And now we have what, three in a row?

Championship Fights, Egyptian Snake Fights, Cosmic Being Fights.

I like events that are rich with story and many things to do and interact with in explore. Easter and the Droughts & Fires events are two of my FAVORITE. There's story and SO MUCH TO INTERACT WITH IN EXPLORE.

I also agree with people who have mentioned that LIOden is straying too far away from the lion aspect of it. I too love lions, and Africa and African culture. This cosmic event has nothing to do with it. And the Egyptian event doesn't focus on Africa as a whole, just one country's history/culture/beliefs.

Why are our lions fighting cosmic snakes and dragons? What does that have to do with Africa or African Culture in any way shape or form?

I'm just... so disappointed in this event. I've been playing daily, way more than I usually do, since being out of work. I only have 140 AC, from BOTH my main and side. That's combined. Forget battling. I can ONLY win against the enemies that I can claw to death and "rip through their soft skin." Even my 2,000+ stat king on my side can barely win any other battles.

I get that the event is new and it's not going to be perfect yet. There are going to be things to fix and tweaks to be made. But please, for the love of Lioden, find a way to merge the old event into this one. Maybe have people choose which one they want to participate in? I dunno.



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Lady Lannister (#1894)

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Posted on
2021-07-20 09:05:25
I love the ideas floating around here, I love it being lion centric and I love the passion that we all have for these characters/event!

I would love the 12 days of helping bit with a final event to tie it together for the year, maybe add a little more in the following years. I'd be down for a Month of the Lion/Water Buffalo(Tuarus)/Twin Leopards(Gemini) thing. It could be extra buffs from those signs for the month after completing the storyline, so like a buff to strength/hit points/luck. It could switch out every year or even every week for the rest of the month.

I'd love for the shops to carry extra decor for the reigning signs for that week/month in addition to the regular shop stuff, and it would swap out as a new batch of signs took over, cycling every year to include different signs/buffs/decors.

So many ideas, I'd love it all!



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Auris (#229394)

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Posted on
2021-07-21 15:22:54
I don't normally like to comment on suggestions, but this is EXACTLY what I want from this event! I'm a new player who wasn't here for original July, but reading on the wiki page, I could tell there was a lot of charm from the old event that I personally liked a lot- that is currently lacking in the event that's ongoing. I know it's unfinished, but I can't help but feel like there's none of the charm present in the other events I've played. This fix would help it a lot.

Agree with what Nadir said as well. Going straight from the snake-focussed battle-heavy June- which, to be fair I enjoyed a lot- directly to a snake-focussed battle-heavy July... I'm really tired of that theme to be honest! The fun part of Lioden events is that you'd go from something like March (serious event without story) to April (silly and colorful event with a story) is really refreshing, and makes the gameplay feel exciting each month.

I'm just not having a fun time in this current event to be honest. For the first time since I've joined I haven't rolled over a few times, even though I adore the decor and apps in the shop and really want to get some. It feels like a big grind that really amounts to not very much, and not being a fan of the event's aesthetic in the first place is definitely not helping. Then again, it's unfinished, so it'll likely be better next year. And hey! The art is gorgeous as usual.



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[β–³] Nadir (#108458)

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Posted on
2021-07-26 20:44:32
I do want to point out that while there's a number of snake-like enemies, it's only a few and mostly dragons and weird eldritch star beings.

Regardless, I want lions in my lioden again. Its fortune I'm laid up after surgery and only logging in to spend my AC on an app before the month is over, so I wont have to focus on this. Hopefully next year they'll address the rest of the poll. I second the idea they should have asked first anyways.

For transparency, I've earned about 230 AC, and that's mostly because I had a lot of MS saved up and didnt do shit in the first week or two.



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Orchid Pie (#73075)

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Posted on
2021-07-28 01:45:33
I now win most of the battles naturally and sometimes use lucky feet, but I am running very low on those thanks to this event that ate 70 feet from me.

But this happens too much still:

I lost
The Gamma Ray Beast pounds you in the head for 19 damage.
You kick the opponent with your back paws for 9 damage.
The Gamma Ray Beast misses.
You are stunned and cannot move.
The Gamma Ray Beast pounds you in the head for 15 damage.
You are stunned and cannot move.
The Gamma Ray Beast pounds you in the head for 19 damage.
Your attack misses.
The Gamma Ray Beast misses.
You pound the opponent for 15 damage.
The Gamma Ray Beast hits you for 14 damage.
You are stunned and cannot move.
The Gamma Ray Beast pounds you in the head for 15 damage.
Your kick fails to reach the opponent.
The Gamma Ray Beast misses.
Your attack misses.
The Gamma Ray Beast misses.
You are stunned and cannot move.
The Gamma Ray Beast pounds you in the head for 17 damage.
You kick the opponent with your back paws for 17 damage.
The Gamma Ray Beast hits you for 12 damage and grabs you.
You charge at the opponent for 18 damage.
You have entered a battle with a Gamma Ray Beast.



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Edited on 28/07/21 @ 01:47:01 by πŸ¦‹ Paipa [G2 Orchid] (#73075)

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Posted on
2021-08-05 23:10:55
please i love apollyon and menhit so much



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2021-11-21 16:15:41
Yes please! This idea is literally perfect!



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