Posted by Adding a Cultural Consultant to Lioden

Moses 🍉 (#95222)


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2024-01-28 00:53:05
Hi.

A few months ago, I made a thread about racism on Lioden (particularly anti-blackness and insensitivity towards indigenous cultures). This thread was taken down by me due to a Moderator reply that pissed me off so bad that I completely gave up.

Recently, it was brought to my attention that my exact suggestion was implemented on Wolvden. To say I was upset would be an understatement.

So, here we are now.

This time, without screenshots (because apparently censoring the usernames of people saying horrible slurs is against the rules):

Hire Cultural Consultants for Lioden; The feather problem (along with certain custom decors and the entire November event) has been talked about for years, yet Wolvden has this problem solved first? Why was it even made again when countless indigenous peoples on Lioden have talked about the issues with it?

That's not even mentioning the anti-blackness that's been rampant on this site for years. Why should I have to explain racial slurs and White Supremacist dog whistles to Moderators? Why aren't they at least a little informed about this, when they take care of the majority of user issues on Lioden?

My frustration at this is apparent, and I cannot stress enough how important this is, especially as someone who's heavily educated in African-American history/studies.

Lioden has recently made a statement about how they want to be better. So prove it.



This suggestion has 188 supports and 25 NO supports.



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Edited on 28/01/24 @ 00:55:31 by Moses 🍉 (#95222)

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Posted on
2024-02-29 13:46:44
Ah I see, After reading Mad Hyena's post it makes more sense what the goal is and how it would work c:

Being Scottish, I kinda want as much lions to look Scottish as possible XD Give them all kilts and bagpipes >:] And Celtic Face paint XD Lil Battle swords and tartan sashes :D



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Firenkyo 🌼 (#128989)

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2024-02-29 13:48:11
ok ermmmm not quite sure what you're trying to say @Mad Hyena
But if you're talking about "freedom of speech" and "censorship" in response to OP's point about dogwhistles and blatant racism they absolutely need to be censored and driven from the site



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Nezumi (#143455)

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Posted on
2024-02-29 13:57:03
1000% support. This should have been done *years* ago. There's no excuse anymore.



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Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2024-02-29 13:57:39
Firenkyo 🌼 no, Im not responding to opening post, Im responding to the post above my previous post - to user who repeatedly claims there need to be measures taken, despite my arguments that we first need to see what the cultural consultant will actually say about the matter. I am taking their persistent posts as proof they believe cultural consultants are called upon to unconditionally just censor every instance of user reporting something as "offensive". But Wolvden's example have proven 9 of 10 reports were deemed as NOT offending the original culture, and I feel much of the same will happen here.

Obviously, blatant racism will be deemed offensive by the dedicated cultural consultant, and removed if it is found. But displaying Anubis as a sweet soul rather than an oldest god? I am NOT sure this case can be deemed offensive. Same with displaying Apollyon as truly loving Menhit, when in the original story he's a conqueror. Some things are more of a case of "personal opinion" on the reporter's side, rather than actually offensive, and I mean these kinds of reports that need cultural consultant to dismiss them as "not offensive".

I support this suggestion, of course. But I underline - it doesnt mean ALL user reports will just be immediately censored out of the site, that's not what happened in Wolvden because the cultural consultant have confirmed most reports were actually not offensive. The cultural consultant obviously first needs to take a look! If any instances of art or depiction are found offensive, Im certain admins will solve that issue, of course. BUT many of the reports will be filtered out as "not offensive", as well. Like the above examples with Anubis and Apollyon I strongly believe will be deemed an acceptable creative interpretation.



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Edited on 29/02/24 @ 14:12:45 by Mad Hyena (#29080)

Calliandra (#70593)

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Posted on
2024-02-29 14:02:15
I strongly support this. I've been playing LD, on and off, for a long time. I've genuinely struggled to become involved with the community because I've seen people say some really out-of-pocket things with no repercussions. I hope people don't read this suggestion and think this is going to make LD change significantly. Hiring a cultural consultant, in all likelihood, probably wouldn't change the game drastically and would likely make the space much more comfortable for a lot of the community.



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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Posted on
2024-02-29 14:35:21
It feels like folks see stuff like this and assume the worst. In reality, it's about not continuing cycle and being more respectful going forward.

But for some, respect is a big ask and they'll assume the worst.



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Edited on 29/02/24 @ 14:36:02 by [♰] Yharnam (#112370)

Vixxie|#1 mane
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Posted on
2024-03-25 18:15:05
As someone who doesn't play Wolvden, I had no idea they had one! It doesn't make any sense for Wolvden to have a cultural consultant and not let Lioden have a consultant also.

To be honest, I didn't even know cultural consultants were a thing, I thought everyone just did their research and used common sense to decide if things are okay to add- but yeah, I don't understand why they would give Wolvden one and not Lioden?



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Edited on 25/03/24 @ 18:17:00 by Vixxie|#1 mane whiskered hater (#355386)







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