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 Zombeh || Clean King (#13715) King of the Jungle View Forum Posts  Posted on 2013-07-10 05:47:25 |
With the addition of sub males a lot of neat things have come into Lioden. We can have heirs now and sub male patroling is always fun. But other then that what's the real purpose of a sub male lion on this game? Are there any other perks aside from having them look fancy on your den? No. But what if we give them more of a purpose. ::Breeding & Retiring:: Lets say you have a pretty lioness that doesn't mix well with your main lion, but looks nice with your sub male. However there is no option currently to breed the two. You could go through the hassle of creating a side account and sending your sub male there, but what if you already have a side account with a custom male lion? And creating more accounts is against the rules, so you're stuck. Now back to my point, whats the purpose of a sub male lion currently? You spend time training up their stats and going on patrols, but what about when they age? Sure you can replace your main male lion when he retired, but wait.. hold up. When your lion dies you have the option to (retire them beforehand), reroll a new male lion, replace them with a heir or keep their appearance on the heir. So lets say your male lion that just died is a custom. You don't want to waste that money and/or time you spent creating him. You like the way he looks and you don't want to loose him. But.... you also like the way your sub male looks. Now you're stuck. What if your sub male is just as handsome has your main male or hey maybe he's a custom lion too! Before he dies you have no way at all to continue on his legacy and not only that but, wasted your hard earned time, SB or even GB when he dies. Now I have two ideas that could fix this: -You can give sub males the ability to breed within the pride. To avoid the already problem of too many cubs, we can have that be the only option. There wont be a stud fee, that's what you main lion is for. They can only breed to lioness within your pride. -There could also be an option to simply swap between your sub male(s) and main male at will. To avoid any issues with overpopulation or inflated cub prices, there could be a limit to how many times it can be done weekly (or even monthly). Heck maybe there's a cooldown for once you swap? This could also solve the issues of people creating multiple accounts for male lions. With this option their would be no need and you'd cut back on some rulebreakers too. Now before I close this part up, I'd also like to mention something. Lion prides in the wild can have multiple, adult male lions in them. If males team up to take out another lion and overtake his pride (which usually is the case). They don't have a set dominant male within their collation. It's first come first served. Any of the males can breed within the pride. New ideas & concepts- -Maybe even a breeding cool-down for sub males where you could only breed them every few weeks, much like lionesses. -Airika (#1552) -Another option when retiring your male lion, to keep the appearance on a new male. Not everyone wants to loose their main males appearance when he dies, but sometimes they already enjoy the way their sub males look. - Zombeh (#13715) -Or maybe save the appearance of your past lions and, when each retires, get the option to keep/re-roll/choose from all your past lions. That way, if you ever get an awesome submale, but his looks are nasty, you can have multiple options for appearances. Kimakishi [Kyo] {Loyalty} (CK) (#13351) Some suggestions: 5 more cooling days for females Limited to 5 a week Ou can switch in between sub males BUT your 5 studding limit does not change. It will still be the same witch ever male you breed to. Chunky (#10861) Going off giving the submales breeding capabilities within your pride only, why not make all submale breedings result in only one cub? Valravn (#22295) what about the suggestion of having several looks to choose from ONLY when your submale takes over the pride? Maybe make it cost like 1 GB or a high SB amount to store up to 5 designs. Then if you don't want to lose your oasis custom design, you just can only have one on your male, but you still have access to the other one? CharleyHorse (#7731) Also instead of just swapping out sub-males, why not have the ability to have the sub-male challenge the current king? And if say, his stats and level are high enough or if he's lucky enough he can chase out the current king. There could be a penalty, meaning the king would be chased out entirely or just swap rankings with the past sub-male, the sub-male becoming king, or even a 50/50 chance! Unkoneo (#45634) What if the main male had a chance to kill the cubs when they were born? Like you could get a message saying that you main male saw you breeding with the your sub and now He is going to kill the offspring to show that he is dominant male in the pride. And this could possibly carry a longer cool down because the main male is *watching* this sub more closely? Or if he didn't "notice" then the cubs would be raised as his own? Still carries a cool down Hayley (#53270) ------------------------------------------------ ::Roles:: This suggestion of mine is fairly old and I've only recently gotten back into Lioden. And I'm honestly surprised sub males still don't have that big of a role in prides. They sit there, look fancy and eat my food. Sure they can patrol, but that's it? It's a huge let down honestly and I feel there are so many great potential things you can add. Some ideas; -Males could have a option of taking a adolescent with them on a patrol. The adolescent may pick up some stats or experience from watching and learning from the sub male(s). Or maybe they lack of experience from the adolescents will mess up the patrol! Lots of options for funny notifications and text. "Adolescent Name tripped during the patrol; causing a commotion and scaring away any potential meals. Darn!" -A option could be for them to 'guard' cubs that you can choose. This would be especially neat if you tie in some sort of random event features. Maybe the cubs could pick up on a few things from these elder males watching them. "Cub name had a fun time pouncing on Sub Male's tail; it never hurts to practice after all. +Random stat" "After a game of hide and seek in the tall grass with Sub Male; Cub Name seemed to pick up a few lessons. +Random stat" "It appears Cub Name found something while out romping with Sub Male. +random toy item" -It'd be neat if Sub Males could maybe choose adolescents to mentor as well. There'd be a option for you to assign certain adols (with a limit) to be a apprentice of sorts to the sub male(s). Where they could train every so often or maybe spar to get random,small stat gains; maybe even items? "After a hard day of training; Adolescent Name gained a few skills! +Random stats" "Sub Male had a lot of trouble keeping Adolescent Name focused. They didn't learn anything today.." |
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Try_chai| CL X3 Ross crested (#116095) Sapphic View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-02-10 11:22:45 |
What if your sub could only breed with the older or “lower ranked” lionesses, or the success rate of a litter was low. I have a beautiful mosaic pied sub that I couldn’t sex change. And I hate seeing him go to waste.   0 players like this post! Like? |
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Astrid┋CLEAN 3.7K 3x Clouded (#124118) 
Angelic View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-02-10 11:27:39 |
i can't believe this suggestion has been sitting here for so long and still hasn't been implemented 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Try_chai| CL X3 Ross crested (#116095) Sapphic View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-02-10 11:29:03 |
Yea, it’s currently on the “rejected” list. They aren’t going to add it in... 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Astrid┋CLEAN 3.7K 3x Clouded (#124118)
Angelic View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-02-10 11:34:37 |
oh i didn't even realize... it really sucks, especially considering on wolvden they ARE allowing multiple males to breed (as far as I'm aware) 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Try_chai| CL X3 Ross crested (#116095) Sapphic View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-02-10 14:37:03 |
I don’t know much about Wolveden, but wolf packs are setup slightly different then lion prides. Either way, it’s kinda sad. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Lennex (#139572)
Sapphic View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-03-19 23:27:02 |
support and bumped. i can't believe this has not be implemented, it's well liked by over a thousand players and the idea is realistic 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Col | G2 Ice 3x Ros 15BO | (#213402) Lone Wanderer View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-08-11 17:03:25 |
Another bump. Like Sapphic said, I wish something like this was implemented. I mean, only the king can breed so if you have multiple males with different valuable mutations you won’t be able to breed them unless if you retire your king. It’s kinda frustrating tbh Plus I have major collector’s anxiety so I worry about stuff like this all the time. Too bad it’s on the rejected list, really 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 11/08/20 @ 17:09:35 by Colossorus (#213402) |
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AJ_Phoenix (#210517)
Phoenix View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-08-12 02:06:39 |
Yet ANOTHER bump! Even though I've read in the comments that this has been rejected, I really hope they reconsider the idea, along with the suggestions already posted - it's incredible and would certainly add more spice to the gameplay! 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Mady (#214460)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-08-26 07:10:10 |
Ill add to the bumping list! I saw the other comments that this has been rejected which is a disappointment and incredibly frustrating tbf. I just got an adol male with primal fangs mutation but the only way for me to breed him is to either set up an alt (which I already am doing because of a breeding project Im going to start working on so...not an option), break the rules and have a 3rd account, or retire my current king early which I also dont want to do bc even though hes basic I dont hate how he looks. Additionally, seeing the comments that Wolvden is potentially allowing multiple males to breed when that doesnt happen in wolf packs (when it does its incredibly uncommon if not rare) whereas within prides it is the norm to allow the entire coalition to breed. Its dumb and ahhhhh frustrating 0 players like this post! Like? |
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⚡The Witch Doctor⚡(G1) (#33916) Impeccable View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-12-11 15:23:04 |
I can understand why they don't add the breeding, but protecting cubs or letting the sub male act as a broodmother could be nice, or having the sub male give some kind of boost or help in explore battles maybe 1/day or 1/hour or if you're defeated could also be nice, likewise there was another suggestion about giving sub males an option to defend the territory or seek council and such to gain your King karma and level your sub male. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Aardvark (#221605)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2020-12-26 00:22:22 |
it was said in on the news post from the 7th, sometime soon there will be more you can do with your sub-males, so they wanted to make sure everyone could afford 2 0 players like this post! Like? |
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G1 Ice Mottled Rosette (#190053) Special Snowflake View Forum Posts Posted on 2021-02-01 20:40:36 |
As someone who’s watched a lot of lion documentaries it’s always been a little weird to me that you can only have one breedable male in your pride at a time, because that’s not what it’s like in nature. I hope this is taken off the rejected list, because it would really help the immersion (at least for me) if Lioden had pride structures similar to prides in real life. Support! 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 01/02/21 @ 21:00:09 by G3 Clean ice Mottled Ros (#190053) |
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Desert Flower (#93267)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2021-02-04 13:19:10 |
Although there can be more than one breeding male in the wild within a pride, people are skimming over the fact that the males are always brothers or cousins! It's not just a random male partnering up with another random male. Nature is competitive and its not in their nature to let some strange male to help and breed with another unknown male's ladies. The only time you see more than one king is when they are males kicked from the same pride and took over a pride together. So due to that reason I'm on the fence. On one hand I can really see why people want their subs to be breedable, especially for breeding projects and lore, but I also feel like it would take away the reasoning to have a king in the first place. So if anything rather than allowing subs to breed, why not just add two more king slots to have a total of 3 kings at once? Just an idea I'm spewing out. Edit: I know LD is NOT a realistic sim, I'm not saying that this game's mechanics should be bound by reality, I'm just using that as an example as to why I can see the devs choosing to not allow it due to the special circumstances that allow more than one breeding male irl, since people are drawing parallels to real life already. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 04/02/21 @ 13:22:23 by Electric Gabaloo (#93267) |
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G1 Ice Mottled Rosette (#190053) Special Snowflake View Forum Posts Posted on 2021-02-04 13:26:58 |
@Electric Gabaloo Oh I like your idea for king slots! It seems more reasonable than letting sub males breed. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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miathe4 (#213817)
Heavenly View Forum Posts Posted on 2021-07-16 20:39:54 |
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