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 Zombeh || Clean King (#13715) King of the Jungle View Forum Posts  Posted on 2013-07-10 05:47:25 |
With the addition of sub males a lot of neat things have come into Lioden. We can have heirs now and sub male patroling is always fun. But other then that what's the real purpose of a sub male lion on this game? Are there any other perks aside from having them look fancy on your den? No. But what if we give them more of a purpose. ::Breeding & Retiring:: Lets say you have a pretty lioness that doesn't mix well with your main lion, but looks nice with your sub male. However there is no option currently to breed the two. You could go through the hassle of creating a side account and sending your sub male there, but what if you already have a side account with a custom male lion? And creating more accounts is against the rules, so you're stuck. Now back to my point, whats the purpose of a sub male lion currently? You spend time training up their stats and going on patrols, but what about when they age? Sure you can replace your main male lion when he retired, but wait.. hold up. When your lion dies you have the option to (retire them beforehand), reroll a new male lion, replace them with a heir or keep their appearance on the heir. So lets say your male lion that just died is a custom. You don't want to waste that money and/or time you spent creating him. You like the way he looks and you don't want to loose him. But.... you also like the way your sub male looks. Now you're stuck. What if your sub male is just as handsome has your main male or hey maybe he's a custom lion too! Before he dies you have no way at all to continue on his legacy and not only that but, wasted your hard earned time, SB or even GB when he dies. Now I have two ideas that could fix this: -You can give sub males the ability to breed within the pride. To avoid the already problem of too many cubs, we can have that be the only option. There wont be a stud fee, that's what you main lion is for. They can only breed to lioness within your pride. -There could also be an option to simply swap between your sub male(s) and main male at will. To avoid any issues with overpopulation or inflated cub prices, there could be a limit to how many times it can be done weekly (or even monthly). Heck maybe there's a cooldown for once you swap? This could also solve the issues of people creating multiple accounts for male lions. With this option their would be no need and you'd cut back on some rulebreakers too. Now before I close this part up, I'd also like to mention something. Lion prides in the wild can have multiple, adult male lions in them. If males team up to take out another lion and overtake his pride (which usually is the case). They don't have a set dominant male within their collation. It's first come first served. Any of the males can breed within the pride. New ideas & concepts- -Maybe even a breeding cool-down for sub males where you could only breed them every few weeks, much like lionesses. -Airika (#1552) -Another option when retiring your male lion, to keep the appearance on a new male. Not everyone wants to loose their main males appearance when he dies, but sometimes they already enjoy the way their sub males look. - Zombeh (#13715) -Or maybe save the appearance of your past lions and, when each retires, get the option to keep/re-roll/choose from all your past lions. That way, if you ever get an awesome submale, but his looks are nasty, you can have multiple options for appearances. Kimakishi [Kyo] {Loyalty} (CK) (#13351) Some suggestions: 5 more cooling days for females Limited to 5 a week Ou can switch in between sub males BUT your 5 studding limit does not change. It will still be the same witch ever male you breed to. Chunky (#10861) Going off giving the submales breeding capabilities within your pride only, why not make all submale breedings result in only one cub? Valravn (#22295) what about the suggestion of having several looks to choose from ONLY when your submale takes over the pride? Maybe make it cost like 1 GB or a high SB amount to store up to 5 designs. Then if you don't want to lose your oasis custom design, you just can only have one on your male, but you still have access to the other one? CharleyHorse (#7731) Also instead of just swapping out sub-males, why not have the ability to have the sub-male challenge the current king? And if say, his stats and level are high enough or if he's lucky enough he can chase out the current king. There could be a penalty, meaning the king would be chased out entirely or just swap rankings with the past sub-male, the sub-male becoming king, or even a 50/50 chance! Unkoneo (#45634) What if the main male had a chance to kill the cubs when they were born? Like you could get a message saying that you main male saw you breeding with the your sub and now He is going to kill the offspring to show that he is dominant male in the pride. And this could possibly carry a longer cool down because the main male is *watching* this sub more closely? Or if he didn't "notice" then the cubs would be raised as his own? Still carries a cool down Hayley (#53270) ------------------------------------------------ ::Roles:: This suggestion of mine is fairly old and I've only recently gotten back into Lioden. And I'm honestly surprised sub males still don't have that big of a role in prides. They sit there, look fancy and eat my food. Sure they can patrol, but that's it? It's a huge let down honestly and I feel there are so many great potential things you can add. Some ideas; -Males could have a option of taking a adolescent with them on a patrol. The adolescent may pick up some stats or experience from watching and learning from the sub male(s). Or maybe they lack of experience from the adolescents will mess up the patrol! Lots of options for funny notifications and text. "Adolescent Name tripped during the patrol; causing a commotion and scaring away any potential meals. Darn!" -A option could be for them to 'guard' cubs that you can choose. This would be especially neat if you tie in some sort of random event features. Maybe the cubs could pick up on a few things from these elder males watching them. "Cub name had a fun time pouncing on Sub Male's tail; it never hurts to practice after all. +Random stat" "After a game of hide and seek in the tall grass with Sub Male; Cub Name seemed to pick up a few lessons. +Random stat" "It appears Cub Name found something while out romping with Sub Male. +random toy item" -It'd be neat if Sub Males could maybe choose adolescents to mentor as well. There'd be a option for you to assign certain adols (with a limit) to be a apprentice of sorts to the sub male(s). Where they could train every so often or maybe spar to get random,small stat gains; maybe even items? "After a hard day of training; Adolescent Name gained a few skills! +Random stats" "Sub Male had a lot of trouble keeping Adolescent Name focused. They didn't learn anything today.." |
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Hayley (#53270)
Dreamboat of Ladies View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-07-03 11:27:44 |
I like this, but the idea isn't realistic enough in my eye, bear with me. I like the idea of a cool down, but I feel like there isn't enough risk with this option yet. But What if the main male had a chance to kill the cubs when they were born? Like you could get a message saying that you main male saw you breeding with the your sub and now He is going to kill the offspring to show that he is dominant male in the pride. And this could possibly carry a longer cool down because the main male is *watching* this sub more closely? Or if he didn't "notice" then the cubs would be raised as his own? Still carries a cool down Just a thought, and I really do enjoy the who being able to breed and interact differently with sub males, I think there is a ton of potential there, They lack luster with just the patrol option now imo.  0 players like this post! Like? |
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Anathema (secondary) (#60106)
Notable Lion View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-08-19 14:44:08 |
I support this. I kind of feel like sub males go to waste just sitting there looking pretty all the time. I wouldn't mind being able to breed them. =) 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Zombeh || Clean King (#13715)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-10-09 03:39:25 |
@Hayley (#53270) - Oh I really like that idea and concept o: I hope it's ok to add it to the first post? 0 players like this post! Like? |
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DragonSage (#4453)
Notable Lion View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-10-29 10:35:21 |
I personally think it'd be nice to have the opportunity to have the submales breed. It happens all the time in the wild in prides that have a couple of males leading it. There could be another option on the lioness page when she's in heat: Breed with Pride Males So the option would be Breed - Breed with main male Breed Auto - Breed with main male until he's out of energy Breed with Pride Males - Breed with the sub males (each sub male would loose a percentage in hunger) Breed with Pride Males would roll to see if she becomes pregnant, then roll the number of cubs, and then for each cub roll to see which sub male fathered it. There could be a fee to use the Breed with Pride Males option and possibly a cooldown for using the option after a successful pregnancy. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Balana [Clean Penumbra Smilus] (#74069) King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-10-30 05:45:29 |
I'd also love to be able to breed my subs to my own lionesses. I wouldn't mind a cooldown (maybe once every 6 in-game months). Maybe it could also consider how long a sub has been in a pride - he has to have been there a year or something before he can breed. Alternatively, coalitions (multiple males in charge equally) would be cool too. Maybe you could get an extra lion in the coalition for every 20 territory or so? This would let people who don't play with GB have 40 territory and 2 coalition males (3 males total). It would be nice to be able to breed all 3 equally, but a cooldown or something on the two non-main-males I think would still be acceptable. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Hawkeye (#55590)
Blessed View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-10-30 09:23:32 |
I wouldn't mind being able to breed my sub male, but I think it should be a very very rare occurrence. I only agree with it slightly because sometimes you just have ONE lady that would look best with your sub, and by the time your main retires, she ded. And before anyone mentions 'Oh just move it to side account' as a lot of people like to suggest. I actually use both my accounts daily and regularly, so freezing her is not an option. However, I still think it needs a lot of work and consideration before developers would even consider it. I'd say there should only be a 2 covering per MONTH limit. It has to be IN PRIDE, And it has to Cost GB in order to USE those slots. Maybe 1 or 2 GB to be able to do that. AND on top of that, you should be on patrol cooldown for 24 hours once the breeding takes place. Maybe even 48 hours. So you have to weigh your options. Is incorporating these marks worth the GB, AND, is losing 24-48 hours of stat gain worth it to you? Sometimes I wish you were able to do a Coalition on here just because it would be fun. But It's highly unlikely to happen, and I agree that you should only have one main male. Though on another note, you ever hear about the Mapogo Coalition? Those lions were so hardcore XD 0 players like this post! Like? |
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ambers. 🍊 (#15417)
Mean View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-11-09 23:15:37 |
I support everything else but the sub-male breeding. The market is pretty wonky. Do we really need anything else messing it up? Same goes with the male switching. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 10/11/15 @ 06:19:05 by amberpelt | Lilac King (#15417) |
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Nika Lizard (#76140)
Merciful View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-11-10 04:41:40 |
I'd love sub-male breeding - just as a rare occurrence, but it would be really nice to have. They do need more to do. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Lia-Lin (Unholy|4xLeonid|G4) (#36246)
Sapphic View Forum Posts Posted on 2016-12-31 14:45:08 |
(I know this post is really old, but I thought I'd throw in my two cents anyway.) I don't understand how, if a submale could only breed within your own pride, how that would create a huge influx of cubs, or cause overpopulation. You only have a set amount of females in your den that are in heat at any one time. You can only breed with those lionesses at that point in time. It makes no difference, whether you'd breed them to your main male, or sub, to how many cubs would be born into your pride if you bred all of them. If your submale breeding draws from your energy bar, it would make no difference whatsoever to the amount of cubs being born on Lioden, right? 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 31/12/16 @ 21:45:40 by Lia-Lin - {I.R.I.S - T.A.O.L} (#36246) |
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Lucifer~ 2.8k stat harlequin! (#86490)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-01-04 12:51:28 |
I love this :o I like most of it, the only parts I don't like is the chance of the main male killing the cubs from the sub male, if I lose any cubs, I get very angry granted it would be my fault because I forgot to nest or protect, but this wouldn't be my fault, It would randomly kill my cubbies ;^; I don't see the point in breeding them if the main male can just kill them, wasting 1 of the 5 allowed breedings or the 1 breeding I'm allowed to have :/ Other than that I really love these ideas :P 0 players like this post! Like? |
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PlanetDay (#84651)
Astral View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-01-18 13:55:32 |
I'm supporting this, although i disagree with the whole 'male-switching' thing 0 players like this post! Like? |
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🌟Skadliashanks (#111745) Usual View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-05-21 18:30:31 |
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Ariento (#1923)
Magnificent View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-05-22 06:48:52 |
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Maiq the Hoarder (#92244)
Sensual View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-05-25 08:13:43 |
Xylax's list of rejected suggestions: https://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=304429209168 Please note "Breeding Sub males" in the Gameplay section. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Jamali (#112542)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-05-28 11:37:06 |
My idea: Once per day, a sub male will get an attempt to breed one of the pride lionesses. It may or may not be a success (and maybe he has a chance of getting caught by a main male and punished, or something like that), but anyway he will have to wait for the next rollover for another try. (This is to keep their subordinate status) Or maybe not just a single attempt, but several. But very limited number. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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