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| Posted by | Sub-male breeding during the Valentines event? |
 Larvirawr (#27485) Dreamboat of Ladies View Forum Posts  Posted on 2014-12-04 22:36:55 |
As we all know, many people want to breed their sub-males but it's a rejected idea. BUT. What about if, next valentines day event, it was incorporated as a temporary feature somehow? It would be just like how we had the fountain of youth thing that aged your lion back a few years in one of the events because people wanted it to happen but it couldn't be added as a permanent feature. I feel that story-wise, it could also work out with the way the valentines event is. The whole point is that you're sneaking off to flirt with lionesses in other prides. Maybe your sub males could sneak a breeding in with your pride members while the king's away, flirting. Hmmm! --- Brainstorming / Notes (I didn't want to add specific ideas but I got excited sorry. Obviously you don't have to agree with them all, I'm only tossing some suggestions around.) It doesn't have to go on for the whole month. It could last for valentines day only, it could be the last tier, etc. IF you could sub-male breed throughout the whole month (not getting specific. there's many, many ways this idea can be done!) there could also be a high chance of getting caught, with a cooldown of when he can try again -- OR, what about this? You come back from flirting with another pride's lioness, only to discover that one of your sub males had been flirting with one of your in-heat lionesses while you were away. (there could be a certain % chance of this happening!) You can either choose to slap him away or pretend you didn't see it. This way, you can't choose what lioness, however he can't breed without your "permission." This would avoid annoying notifications if you could only see this and take action from the event page. Ok, maybe we don't have to go that crazy. Maybe it could just be an item that costs event currency or GB (similar to paying for a stud?) The items could disappear once March starts. *** Sub-male breeding doesn't have to change the way the valentines event was last year; it would only be a new feature added to it!!! *** *** I'm NOT suggesting we can sub-male breed without limitations or consequence. There would obviously need to be appropriate restrictions set in place. If you have criticism, it shouldn't be based off of this assumption. Thanks! *** --- Comment spotlight Illusion (#28866) And it WOULD help the site's income from zebra heart purchases. For example, if it was on Valentine's day, I'd want to breed my sub to his mate. Say the gal wasn't in heat yet, so I went to buy a zebra heart - only to find that I was pretty broke and I need to buy some GB to get the heart. It works both ways! Non-sub-breeding people would have barely anything to argue about, supporters would be happy, and more income for the site! It all works. :) Kat (49358) How about they only get to breed three times....total (or any number less than 5) --- Q/A Wouldn't there would be more cubs? Perhaps, but this happens with every event, and every time there's a news post where new markings and bases have been added. Basically every time we get a new way to breed, we have more cubs. Wouldn't this encourage traditional studding and scams? In order to avoid this, perhaps transferred lions can lose sub-male breeding privileges. (Is that possible?) Or maybe mods can more strictly monitor this activity during the very limited time this feature is allowed. Suggestions are very welcome. (: Won't people demand more of it once February is over? Unfortunately. Hopefully it's made clear that sub-male breeding is a valentines gift only. I personally don't see this as a major concern though. People have asked for the bunny tunnels / murder rock to be permanent, and lioden hasn't burned down yet because of it. |
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Heavenly View Forum Posts Posted on 2014-12-30 09:59:23 |
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Larvirawr (#27485)
Dreamboat of Ladies View Forum Posts Posted on 2014-12-30 10:12:07 |
I'm starting to see multiple concerns being posted twice so I'm gonna put a Q/A up in my main post to avoid repeating myself, heh. c: 0 players like this post! Like? |
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IllusionLion (#28866)
Scourge of Lions View Forum Posts Posted on 2014-12-30 12:06:00 |
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Nny (#257)
Bone Collector View Forum Posts Posted on 2014-12-31 09:07:21 |
No support from me either. Sub males are not here to breed at all, they are here to make sure you have a lion that can take over when your king dies/is retired. And others have stated other reasons I would say for not supporting already. I do like the idea in theory, as I have had some sub males I'd LOVE to have bred to, even once, in the past, but it's still a no support from me. This would hurt the game and doesn't help it in any way really if you ask me. ^^; 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Larvirawr (#27485)
Dreamboat of Ladies View Forum Posts Posted on 2014-12-31 14:37:18 |
Yep, I know the history and the reason sub-males were added. So when your king dies, you have a replacement ready. I know they're not meant to ever breed until they become king. But that's the whole reason behind this idea, the whole reason I'm suggesting it to happen in an event in the first place. Maybe sub-male breeding wouldn't work or make sense as a permanent feature, but events are only temporary. Events are meant to add a twist to the game and give us features that we don't normally have. That's why I think it would be fun. If it just exists for a small period of time, with strict enough limitations, I don't see it affecting the way the whole game works. Again, there are ways it could increase the sales of GB. If we only had it for a day, or a few days, it may increase the sales of zebra hearts. Also, people might add sub-male slots just because of this feature which could cost GB. If they wanted to transfer the subs they don't want to breed to their side to increase the odds of breeding the male they want, that could also cost GB. It all depends on the way it's added. It's entirely possible for this to benefit the site. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Nny (#257)
Bone Collector View Forum Posts Posted on 2014-12-31 15:17:12 |
Even one day of allowing sub males to breed could have terrible consequences for the site/economy and all that jazz. Even if it were only on your [general your by the way] account, That's up to like 40 ladies who could be bred at a time on just one account and all can produce up to 4 cubs without people transferring ladies over to other accounts and such like that. And you can't know for sure people will actually pay money to buy zebra hearts with how super easy it is to make GB just by playing the game. To me, a slight possible chance the site could make a little extra money is no way a good reason to potentially kill what progress was made at improving Lioden. Sub males should never, ever, be able to breed. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Larvirawr (#27485)
Dreamboat of Ladies View Forum Posts Posted on 2014-12-31 22:13:23 |
How would that many lions be able to breed in one day if-- a) you only had a small chance of success every 30 minutes or b) it was expensive? ??? 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 01/01/15 by Larvirawr (#27485) |
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Nny (#257)
Bone Collector View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-01-14 02:24:43 |
Apparently I never responded, Sorry~! >.< A) Determination. There's no doubt that quite a few people who play will try and try until they get as many girls as they can pregnant. Even if it's a small chance, it's still there. The lioness can still get pregnant. It'd be like with 1% fertility ladies, takes forever but she'll get pregnant in the end. B) There are MANY ways to earn SB and there are also MANY 'rich' or 'wealthy' players on Lioden. But if it's overly expensive for even them, then I'd also think that would take away from your reasoning to add it to the game. What would be the point of adding something so expensive next to no one would use ya know? 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Larvirawr (#27485)
Dreamboat of Ladies View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-01-14 02:44:06 |
No worries. Determination won't be an issue if it's coded appropriately. If we had a chance every 30 minutes, that's 48 chances per day. (Assuming this person isn't sleeping, eating, or doing anything except playing Lioden.) Say that you have a 10% chance of finding your sub-male flirting every 30 minutes. That's, on average, < 5 lionesses possibly getting pregnant per account per day. Again, assuming the player is doing absolutely nothing else, and they like the pairings they got. That's just one example, though. The cooldown time and chance percentage is up to debate. Say that we could sub-male breed the exact same way/price that we could stud to that tsavo for: That's the exact same # lionesses who could possibly get pregnant that we had in October. Actually, it might even be less, since sub-males wouldn't have any exclusive valentines-month only markings. I'd like to know why more lionesses (even if it's adjusted to be a small amount) getting pregnant and making cubs is such a big issue, anyway. We always get new ways to breed during the events and the majority of players are happy to have them. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 14/01/15 by Larvirawr (#27485) |
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Pervert View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-01-14 09:09:50 |
Impressive idea! Support! Though, it couldn't be an event item. An item allows it to be saved, people would buy a ton of them, and the limits wont actually be limits any more. EDIT: Perhaps you're allowed one breeding attempt a day? This would increase the vuka vuka sales, people will buy them for any low fert pretties I really want to breed to their subbys, and then might buy them again to change them back. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 14/01/15 by CopyCatCLown (#123) |
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Larvirawr (#27485)
Dreamboat of Ladies View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-01-14 09:57:58 |
Copycatclown- If they were event items, perhaps they could be deleted once March starts, and returned next year, similar to how event currency works? Though I personally think that something more like that tsavo stud would be better, if we went down the path of paying event currency for an unlocked thing. o: Thanks for the suggestion. c: That could also work! Maybe a 50/50 chance would be good for that, what do you think? There needs to be a reasonable limit but not too much as to make people frustrated. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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FCV (#15132)
Terrifying View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-01-21 01:04:07 |
No support. @Larvirawr The idea of Sub-Male breeding has been shot down many times before hand. I do not feel there is a need for them to breed in this game since their sole purpose is simply to take over your main male when the time is right and nothing more. They do not interact with the pride in any way, shape, or form, other than the fact that sometimes they bring back food/toys from patrolling that may be used by other pride members. As stated before even if if its just for 2 minutes during an event day, afterwards everyone will want to have it permanently and I just do not see any good that could possibly come from that :< There would be an even bigger increase of cubs in the cub market which would not help it at all. Too many cubs in the market already which is why they are hardly worth anything anymore. You keep stating about how it could be limited, or expensive, or what not. But the bottom line is those restrictions will not be enough. After the event the players will most likely push and push until the admins give in and allow sub male breeding. To me this suggestion should not even be an option, especially after how many times the simple idea of submale breeding has been turned down. Sorry if this sounded harsh, etc. No intentions of offending just trying to sate my opinion. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Unknown (#44136)
Angelic View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-01-21 01:12:29 |
I like the idea I've never seen the valentines event so I can't say anything about that, but I like that the sub male breeding would be limited time only if it was permanent that wouldn't be that much fun and it defeat the purpose of having a good looking king. Great idea you have my support, with the cub thing a lot of people now kill them off if they don't like them so the market kinda won't change that much people only sell the 'lovely' cubs and even then they a lot of times kill them off if not sold. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 21/01/15 by Shadow Night (DD) (#44136) |
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FCV (#15132)
Terrifying View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-01-21 01:20:35 |
Having your submales NOT breed keeps a fair advantage to every player in the game. It's a limitation that keeps thing "even" so to speak. You train your submales to be king one day. It's part of the breeding game process and its fun because why? Because its difficult to attain. You have to wait time periods and train your sub and do all these things to prep him to be king. If you take that away, even if it is just for a small amount of time, people will want to have it forever and it would make the game terribly, TERRIBLY boring to have things that easy. I have no intentions on wanting to have my submale breed. Sometimes I think he's a better match to some lionesses in the pride, but I do not want him to breed. It is something that I feel, very strongly, should not be implemented into the game whatsoever. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Unknown (#44136)
Angelic View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-01-21 01:29:55 |
I understand you're feelings, though I think it would be fun to allow them to breed once. Neither of my sub males on my main account are ever going to be king they are both 11 years well my king is still very young one was supposed to be king but then I found my current king as a cub. I don't train my sub that will be king since he is frozen on my side account so he'll have a long life as king. Everyone has their own opinion on this subject and is welcome to it, not everyone will agree with everyone else but that's life. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 21/01/15 by Shadow Night (DD) (#44136) |
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