Posted by Deletion of Banned Account Lions + Items

Lex 🦋 {Brief
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Posted on
2018-11-18 12:29:37
Hi everyone! Quick suggestion here.

I’m proposing that after the administration team has decided to permanently ban a user, after a time period of say, 3-6 months, the entire contents of that account will be wiped.

Not given to the community, Not Given to the Tree, Not Auctioned or Raffled off- WIPED

My reasoning for this is simply server space and economics.
If theoretically, an account is banned that has 300+ Buffalo scrotums (which is reasonable in some cases), those 300+ Buffalo scrotums will show up in the “# of items in game” and can effect the price of the item overall.

For Buffalo scrotums there’s always a surplus, but for items that are incredibly rare, such as Solaris and Interstellar applicators, every single item in game plays into the worth of the item. If items are on a permanently banned account, those items are never going to play a part in the economy again, and should be removed.

This also constitutes server space; the game should not have to hold onto thousands of lions and hundreds of thousands of items on accounts where the players won’t be returning.

TLDR; Wipe permabanned accounts after a period of time so the rest of the site can have more server space and remove dead items, currency, and lions from the economy



This suggestion has 540 supports and 22 NO supports.



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Corruptedhyena (#243378)


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Posted on
2023-09-04 14:47:43
AT that point that is their own fault. I think there should be a limit as to how long it takes for you to appeal a ban anyways. After 6 months to me is far to long.



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🔥Mephistopheles
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Posted on
2023-09-04 18:18:27
People may have other things going on in their lives, or they may decide only later on that they actually do want to try and appeal. No matter how unlikely the chance is someone would come back, they should get to have their things intact if they do come back.



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Readytest (#431796)

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Posted on
2023-09-04 18:22:15
This ^

Also,

" I think there should be a limit as to how long it takes for you to appeal a ban anyways. "
- Corruptedhyena (#243378)

As Horizon said, people may have things over than appealing bans going on in their lives, and I believe that wiping their assets is, in fact, TOUCHING their assets, something that some of the supporters do vehemently go against...



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Corruptedhyena (#243378)


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Posted on
2023-09-04 18:55:02
Potentially. It depends on who looks at it I guess but I see no reason for a banned account that has benefits banned for years to still be omnivores the site. It just takes up resources.



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🔥Mephistopheles
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Posted on
2023-09-04 20:05:03
“Assets located on temporarily or permanently suspended accounts will remain on the accounts. Our staff does not tamper with assets on suspended accounts except in extreme circumstances.”
- Lioden account standings FAQ
And
“assets located on suspended accounts will remain on the accounts permanently. Players are able to appeal their suspensions at any time; although there is no guarantee that they can return to the site, we do not want to tamper with any assets located on their accounts in the event that their suspension is lifted.” - Lioden account standings FAQ

This is what is currently stated in the lioden FAQ, and I agree with these and believe they should stay in place. As stated in the FAQ, players can appeal suspensions at any time and they should have their items and lions just how they left them in the event that that happens.



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𐂂 Neon Genesis
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Posted on
2023-09-12 11:17:31
They don't already wipe accounts? I'm surprised, it would be so much nicer on the servers.

Personally, I fully support this idea. With these points in mind:
~Permabanned accounts should be wiped at minimum 1 year after banning. 1 year gives plenty of time for the admins and the banned to reconsider the banning. Miss that window? Tough luck, you should have re-considered what you did to be banned in the first place. Lioden admods seem to have a pretty solid and fair scale of how they dish out punishments, anyways.
~Accounts that have been inactive for 5+ years should also be wiped, if they aren't already. I get that sometimes, you end up on a lengthy hiatus. But 5 years is a long time, and its highly unlikely that you'll return after such a period. Even, say, if you're military, it is incredibly unlikely that you would end up in some sort of deployment that is stretching that long. Not to mention, the site automatically sends quite a few reminder emails, and if you really are worried about your account, you could just log in (without rolling) to reset the 5 year clock.
~If people are really that concerned about possible muts or items going extinct, perhaps a mut boost can be occasionally put in play as a limited time event or as part of a monthly event, and items can be added to event shops or have their own, special, Limited Time shop. Idk.
~Honestly, clearing up space on the server would be highly beneficial to Lioden. I can imagine its already strained with such a big site, but cleaning it up could reduce that strain and make it easier to keep improving Lioden.



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Corruptedhyena (#243378)


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2023-09-12 11:19:12
Highly agree with Jenova.

I am a bit more iffy with simply inactive accounts, but 5 years does seem like plenty.



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McMac N Cheese (2x
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Posted on
2023-09-12 11:25:59
@Jenova :|:
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I totally agree! And as a military spouse I can confirm that deployments don't take anymore than 9 months unless under extreme circumstances. Even then they're allowed to have their phone and always have extra time to themselves, most deployments are just rotations anyway so they don't do much outside of regular work. The only time that you wouldn't have access to the internet would be during basic/AIT, which I think can last up to a little under a year depending on their MOS, but they 9 times out of 10 get phone passes on Sunday that can last up to 12 hours



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𐂂 Neon Genesis
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2023-09-12 11:36:07
Atlaz -
Yeah! I'm military, and though they have yet to have a reason to deploy me, my bf (same mos) is only deployed for about 6 months right now. And he's pretty much on his phone all day. Some MOSs can be incredibly long in terms of AIT (mine was around 10 months, I have a friend who's training took about 2 years) but the longer the mos, the more privileges you get, and phone is one of the first ones, followed by civilian clothing/linen and cars. Not to mention, once you hit AIT and the big army, you normally don't have to work on Saturday and Sunday, Definitely plenty of time for a player to log in. But yeah, any AIT that doesn't give you the weekends and doesn't give you phone rights would be only a few weeks long at most.



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McMac N Cheese (2x
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2023-09-12 11:48:56
Jenova-
Thank you for your service! My husband's AIT wassss 20 weeks? Not too long, he was only gone for about 6 months but he always got the chance to watch YouTube and share memes when he got his phone. So yeah definitely plenty of time! If they're not really thinking about it and miss that year mark then it wasn't important enough to them to at least attempt to repeal. Which is honestly fine, some people are just one and done with games once they get in trouble or banned. And it's not like bans are just handed out willy nilly, the accounts I know of that are permabanned have 100% reason to be



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𐂂 Neon Genesis
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2023-09-12 11:58:15
Atlas -
Thank you for your support :)

Full agree with that, yeah. And honestly, part of the punishment of being banned is that you lost that progress. So even if you can prove that you've bettered yourself, well, hindsight is always 20/20. Start fresh, learn from your mistakes. You lost last time, now just work your way back up and don't repeat the past.



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Readytest (#431796)

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Posted on
2023-09-13 17:16:34
I don't support inactive users being wiped after 5+ years -- people just don't have the time for Lioden, but are still interested. I think I would be depressed and quit lioden if I came back to my account being wiped.



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Anxiety Prime™
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Posted on
2023-09-13 17:17:33
It's if the account is ban, not inactive--



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Readytest (#431796)

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Posted on
2023-09-13 17:18:05
Someone suggested inactive accounts bring wiped, though



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Anxiety Prime™
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Posted on
2023-09-13 17:20:33
Oh,



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