I wonder how this would change things for people who take real money not just game currency. A trade type setup would probably work well for game currency but idk about real stuff. As some artists do traditional art and mail it to someone and others just charge through PayPal or Venmo it could cause problems for them.

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I'm unsure on the rights Lioden has to monitor IRL currency and IRL actions, if they are capable and willing to monitor that sort of deal then perhaps this situation is where a moderator's position really comes in to double check both parties have done their due diligence.

Confirmation buttons could be adjusted to allow for verification that USD/etc payment was sent and received, Update verification on sketch stages and other WIP shots. And then verification if the piece is to be physically sent out to the commissioner. Communication is a big factor during commissions from both artist and buyer.

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The watermarked image idea sounds nice, my only problem with it is watermarks can often be easily removed with just a little bit of adjustment. If someone really plans on getting away with not paying, just a little watermark won't do much.

Maybe have the trade setup thing people are suggesting, but have some kind of moderator or helper review the art first to make sure it's what the person ordered? Then when they approve it the trade goes through. It would be a lot of work for just mods, so maybe have like trade overseers or something? I'm not too good with ideas, but hopefully this helps some. ^^;

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As an artist, I have to say that not getting paid for the art that I put my time (and consequently, money) into really sucks. I can also say that I would hate to buy art and then not have it be completed, like anyone. So, what if we had a system like a regular trade. The commissioner would set up a trade, and their money would stay in the trade until the artist submits their art and the transaction was completed. We could also set up some sort of failsafe if the commissioner cancels the trade. For example, if it was canceled after the artist started working on the piece, 20% of the money would go to the artist or something like that. We could have LD instantly waterpark the piece in the preview, and once the final file was uploaded, you couldn't cancel the trade. Then once the trade was accepted, the file would get sent to the commissioner un-watermarked. Maybe?

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As an artist with PTSD and a full time job, I tend to have delays on my end sometimes if I get bad.
So what I really like is the idea of having a storage for payment?
So the payment is kept in a sort of void, Not given to the artist, But not returned to the player?
And the artist can send progress with maybe a decreased quality and size, Alongside a watermark?
And the commissioner can imput a description of what they want as well
They can request a refund with a Mod review to be sure they are not refunding for a finished and saved piece, And if the artist did a bad job or didn't follow through, They can receive a negative rating by the mod? Or if the art wasn't completely done right, a partial refund can be requested, And mod can determine if that is needed?
Maybe a comment section that pings artist and commissioner for them to communicate and for a mod to post their decision and action?

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I mean it's a great idea an all to have a art trading system, but I feel overwhelmed with the idea. Because, it can stress out a artist, and I am sure some artists already have stress irl. An to add onto it because of some system isn't exactly good, and some of us artist just do it for fun to make art for others. An yeah to get paid, and yeah there are scammers. An all this I am reading just makes me nervous about selling art, or buying art at all....that's all I can say, or even be able to think of to put. Please don't attack me for having a different opinion about it, and I have anxiety an this just overwhelmed me. I just think there should be artist mods to mod over art sales, and just no system at all.

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If the trading system stresses you out, you don't have to use it. I'm sure for a while, personally, I will be using my current way of offering commissions until I get a feel for whatever the system may be. I'm pretty sure there isn't going to be any kind of rule saying you have to use it. ^^

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I would hope there would be a rule in that I wouldn't have to use it, and cause honestly if a system is made I will keep to whatever way I am selling art. Because I haven't gotten scammed either selling my art or buying art, and I like how I sell my art anyway even if I don't get commissioned.

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Here's my suggestions:

I think there should be like, when buying a commission, the GB is taken from your account as if put into a trade, BUT it's just 'in the trade', not to the artist's account yet. The artist will have ways of updating the person of how far along they are on the art. When the art is done, it is uploaded through Lioden's Art Trade system, which'll automatically put a BIG, UGLY watermark on it. Dead center. Not full opacity so you can see the art, but very obvious that a watermark is there. Watermark should also probably be like, textured and everything so it's even harder to make it look natural if you try and photoshop it out. Only when the commissioner accepts and completes the trade, will Lioden send them a png in the form of a game notification of the original image with the ugly watermark finally removed!

Of course, it's still possible for both parties to scam, but hopefully it'll be much more of a pain in the ass to scam in the first place, so it'll happen much less. And, if it does happen, that's what Modbox is for! (Besides, it'll be easier for Modbox to check everything out considering it'll be an official system now)

There will be a time limit of... 2 months, maybe, for the artist to complete their work? Before the money goes back to the original person and the trade is cancelled (however, if something goes wrong, the artist and commissioner can talk about the situation, and set up a new trade, just like a private trade that ran out, or contact modbox in special cases.)

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ALSO, very important question



How is $$ gonna be handled? If Paypal and other payment options aren't available, I won't support it right away. This cannot be GB exclusive. I know it's hard to moderate if it's going through other systems, but frankly, it's ALREADY going through Paypal and other payment sites normally so that'll be as much of a potential obstacle as it's always been, and this system must keep that in mind.


(Un-supporting until this is answered because it's incredibly important that a potential system keeps this in mind, otherwise I don't want the system. Art is how lots of people pay the bills. Don't force them to accept game currency. Game currency, as much as I love it, doesn't pay our bills!)

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I don't like the idea at all of a time limit for the artwork. If a commissioner feels they have waited too long, they should be able to cancel the trade or talk to a mod or something. Having a time limit, even if it is long, kind of puts pressure on the artist. Some art takes a very long time as well, and once again a limit would just be stressful.

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@Nakaru

I suggested a time limit so the 'waiting literally 2 years for art' situation wouldn't happen, but I also see your point. I wouldn't mind the time limit being removed, OR to be made longer (I already tried to make it pretty long so the artist has plenty of time without the commissioner being upset, but I can understand something happening that'll take up 2 months of time so they can't properly work on it. Mods and community can figure out that limit, I'm sure!)

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I think the 2 years for art thing would definitely hit the point of cancellation of mod intervention
Auto-correct is being really dumb right now so if something is off just ignore it

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sdnksdjndsk true yeah, good point ^

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I get nervous reviving art because no matter how much I ask for progress shots so I can correct them before they color, they only show me the finished peice and either fix it again wrong or just ignore me- maybe there can be a way to see the art before finishing the trade or finalizing the trade so you can only complete it when both parties are happy with the outcome?
Because no one can draw my characters correct no matter how many times I say how to fix it xD

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