-LOCKED - Rumble Marking Clarification
Posted on 2020-05-05 15:40:51

Rumble Markings



As per our last news post, we would like to give you an update on the status of the rumble markings.

We have had a small number of threads over the past few days pop up discussing this marking with comments ranging from dislike of the marking, to the marking making them feel uncomfortable, to the marking having the potential to cause a seizure. We take comments like this very seriously and went further to investigate this.

Today, we sought legal clarification over the marking. We have been advised that we are compliant and meet all legal requirements and there is no reason that the marking should be removed from the game or that any additional warning notice needs to be given out. Additionally, the marking itself was not flagged as a typical risk.

However, we have decided to go above and beyond the requirements and have added a warning to our Terms of Service. This also concerns user submitted content. Users can display content of their choice (within reason, and assuming it complies with our Terms and Code of Conduct) on their den pages, in their avatars, lion bios, topic posts, etc. Most of these are not moderated in advance, and only when they are reported to us, so we feel it is now prudent to include this warning in our terms regardless.

We must ask that if you have noticed any adverse effects while accessing Lioden at any point, to discontinue use of the site immediately and seek medical help from a physician.

Rumble markings are now back on the site and the applicator has returned to Vashkartzen’s reputation shop. We will be keeping them in the second, revised version that was posted recently.

Rather than discuss this ad nauseum, we have made a final decision, and we will not be accepting any new suggestion threads, petitions or campaigns for the marking to be removed or adjusted. The marking can be discussed, but when the discussion descends into fighting, disrespect or bashing of the site and staff, you will be asked to stop discussing it. Failure to comply will result in action taken against your account. This is the same as any other topic discussed on Lioden.

Due to some of the conduct on the site from a small minority of players recently, we feel that we need to remind users of the Terms of Service point 6.2.b:
“You also agree that you will not in connection with the Game:
publish or send any Content (including links or references to other content), or otherwise behave in a manner, which:
is defamatory, threatening, harassing, invasive of privacy, offensive, vulgar, racist, hateful, discriminatory, obscene, pornographic, sexually suggestive, misleading, abusive or deceptive or which attacks sexual orientation, promotes self-harm or eating disorders, involves murder, rape, suicide, terrorism, excessive gore or hacking;”

Chat



In light of recent events, we've implemented a filter in the chat room. Certain words and/or phrases are now blocked, and attempting to use them will result in you being timed out from posting in chat for 60 seconds. Intentionally attempting to get around this filter will result in actions being taken against your account, as the filter itself contains very serious words and phrases that we have never allowed to be used.

Staff members are now able to timeout players for 60 seconds as well, to assist with anyone that is intentionally causing issues in chat. Please continue to flag and report inappropriate messages as you see them, however.

Along with this chat update, we have also implemented a way for players to disable the visual ping effects. You can find this toggle under the gear settings in chat. This toggle is stored to your account and carries over through devices. You can turn on and turn off ping effects as necessary.

Admin Edit: Main Chat will remain paused for the rest of the day. We will look into unpausing Main Chat during EU morning hours. Thank you for your patience.



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Edited on 05/05/20 @ 16:32:02 by Katze (#3)

☆ annika ☆ (#143548)

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Posted on
2020-05-05 16:13:55
edited out



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Edited on 05/05/20 @ 16:19:58 by ☆ Annika ☆ (#143548)

bambinosaur/2rose/KU
N/pi (#101401)

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Posted on
2020-05-05 16:13:57
Y’all. Chill. Wether it was right or wrong just move on. If you have issues with that marking just do your best to avoid it. Add something to your page so people know. It’s no different than amusement parks using strobe lights or movies using scenes that may trigger a seizure. They all give warning. The person then decides if they continue or not. The game is no difference. Think of it like allergies. If you can’t have peanuts, something says may contain nuts, do you eat it? No you make your own choice.



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Atticus 🐺
[Project] (#198107)

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Posted on
2020-05-05 16:14:09
I know they aren't accepting suggestions but, wouldn't the option to allow players to have the marking (and any other one, if anything) to be invisible have solved the problem? Like, whoever doesn't like the marking could just not see it and everyone happy. I personally like Rumble and will get it but dunno. I don't think it would be that hard to implement but of course I don't know how the game is coded and it may be way harder that I'm thinking.
In any case, I don't think the solution is to be so harsh to the devs. We are all adults here, and like it or not, I think we have to respect their decision (I've seen games and sites that won't even care enough to ask the community for opinion, let alone do something about the issue). This is just my humble opinion though, and I'm rather new on here, but oh well.



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Hireath G2 RLC Sepia (#179216)

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Posted on
2020-05-05 16:14:09
"Other users that can't simply "unsee" or "not see" the markings. To disregard people's health over some marking is unacceptable, and i'm just... shocked. Humanity has let us down once again.

Please make a feature that makes it so blocked users' lions don't show up. I don't want to see everybody's rumble lions. At least take the consideration to make that for us."



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Kiri #BLM (#29513)

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Posted on
2020-05-05 16:14:12
2020 back at it with the bullshit I see



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Smokee (#19516)

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Posted on
2020-05-05 16:14:12
Thanks for the update! When I logged onto LD and saw I had to read the terms again, I got a feeling it had to do with the markings. I love the marking, so glad I'm able to purchase it once again for future use!
However, if the marking can effect people with these medical conditions. ..Isn't it possible to edit the marking slight or something?



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Edited on 05/05/20 @ 16:16:02 by alpha_wolf (#19516)

filly (#198698)

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Posted on
2020-05-05 16:14:15
The fact that yall literally say you don't want suggestions, petitions, or campaigns shows that you KNOW you're in the wrong here, and just can't be bothered to listen to your users anymore.



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Veni (#121432)

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Posted on
2020-05-05 16:14:32
I don't want to imply any disrespect, but I feel that keeping the marking carries a lot more harm than good at this point. Even with health and safety warnings, not only is it a known causation of issues (ranging from extreme medical complications per user statements, to minor eye-strain), but it's going to be associated with this entire situation by all users who were around to see it unfold.



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Mwothman (#138189)

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Posted on
2020-05-05 16:14:42
@silver
A lot of users thought brawl was ugly, i personally like the inverted version because it isnt as clumpy. But the point is Rumble had a more adverse affect



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Tsuna (#200355)

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Posted on
2020-05-05 16:14:49
I feel as if this was a very underhanded way of handling the problem. I am very displeased.



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Thalath {Side} (#43831)

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Posted on
2020-05-05 16:14:51
"Thanks for running it through a test for usual seizure triggers. It does somewhat help to know, despite the occurrence of pre-seizure symptoms it doesn't test as a trigger.

It is not real cool that, with quite a few users telling you it causes issues, that the first instinct is to cover your legal butts instead of listening and compromising."


This is what I was thinking as well, Bez. I will give the benefit of the doubt and say that they did this rather than lie about seeking legal counsel, which is sort of what i implied in my other post but I didn't mean to. I'm sure they did, but my point was this still looks bad from the community's point of view", as your second paragraph states.

And I'll reiterate what I also said in my other post: why would so many users lie about having symptoms? I strongly doubt that many people would have something to gain from complaining about this marking. Implying that people are banding together to form an agenda to remove this marking because they don't like it is pure lunacy. I definitely believe people at least experienced some sort of physical discomfort.



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till (#146959)

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Posted on
2020-05-05 16:15:35
Huh! Sorry bros but this is genuinely disgusting :D



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GhostLinx (#173867)

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Posted on
2020-05-05 16:15:37
I never got the problem with the rumble markings? But I'm glad its at least seems solved?



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🐣GODKING Chicken
Woman🐥 (#79505)

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Posted on
2020-05-05 16:16:00
Thank you guys so much for handling this professionally. You can't please everyone, and you did your best to do that anyways.
I hope main chat can return soon, but I appreciate this time for people's tempers to cool.



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Raptorcat (side) (#78807)

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Posted on
2020-05-05 16:16:08
I just want to say that after reading some of the comments accusing the staff of calling seizures from the marking "hearsay" I reread this news post and I didn't see that in here. If someone could please explain?



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