Posted by Regarding the Release of Bases, Marks & Eyes

[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2021-09-29 15:03:28
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✪ Summary:

Over the last 5+ months, we've been getting a huge influx of new bases, markings and eyes released. Normally, this would be nice. Who doesn't like a big bomb of new content every now and then? But the key phrase here is 'every now and then'.

The scope of new breedable content added monthly is becoming overwhelming and is quickly losing focus.

✪ What I Am Proposing:

[+] Slow the release of new bases, markings and eyes to give players a chance to enjoy them fully, and give us updates on promised art content while addressing current art issues.

[EDIT] Edited for clarity & better organization (9.29.2021 @ 3:47 PM)
[EDIT] Axed the parts that are coding-specific (9.29.2021 @ 5:12 PM)
[EDIT] Addressed major art updates still not in-game (9.29.2021 @ 5:15 PM)
[EDIT] Addressed applicator bases and cream genetics (9.29.2021 @ 9:37 PM)

Male Poses
As posted on 10.09.2020 in this October Development Update, we were told that male poses were coming in the following months to year. It is nearly one year to the date, and we have not seen any updates regarding male poses. It's not related to the recode. So, what's going on with it?

Edit as of 8.20.2022: Still no news on Male Poses.
Edit as of 2.10.2023: Still no news on Male Poses.


Use High-Voted Player Suggestions
If nothing else - and if Lioden developers continue to release large amounts of new bases, markings and eyes at once - please consider adding breedable content that the community has suggested, and include them in polls.

There exist a large number of player suggested bases, markings and eyes with very high community support, and yet these are often overlooked. If the breedable content added to the game were fewer in number, I could understand being more frugal with picking from suggestions. However, we're already adding new content left and right, so why not start picking from things that players design more often?


The Superior Applicator and Cream's Woes
Many of the newest bases and markings that are being added are applicators. Applicators are nice, but Lioden's breed-only content is becoming thin by comparison. Another issue is Cream, because Cream is always an issue. Interesting content for this genetic category has long been few and far between, and it suffers heavily from applicators, misplaced genetics being shoveled into it, and uninteresting designs.


The Genetics Situation is Getting Worse
As many of us know, a number of bases are being shoved into genetics groups they don't fit the rules for. While this is an issue specific to a larger problem, slowing the amount of bases that are coming out will also help stop the bloat in genetics categories where these bases do not belong.

You can find more information on the specifics of this issue in this suggestion: Click Here


Misc. Art-Specific Updates That Remain Unfixed:
Old decors that still don't work on posed lionesses, such as "Bone Crown".
Old decors no longer match the current art style, are blurry and lower quality, such as the zombie decors and old wings.
Female and male default line art could genuinely benefit from having their lines cleaned up, though not changed.
The giving tree and games art is still outdated.
Half of the explore encounters from January and March are still outdated.
Many non-event explore encounters still use old art, including the ridgebacks and effectively every explore encounter from Desert biome up.
Several event banners still use the old art.

AGAIN: I am not asking for the release of bases, markings and eyes to be halted fully. I am asking for them to be slowed in favor of addressing updates that players have been requesting for years. Please do not assume that's what I want.


HIGHLIGHTED POSTS:
Roxanne #BLM (#121082)
"I'm a bit indifferent to this suggestion. I like all the content being released, HOWEVER, I think they should slow it down if it means bigger things like ... you know ... male poses. Or Primordial Dwarves. You know.

I also think they should be using players suggestions if they're going to continue to add on a monthly basis, but that's a totally different conversation.
So many high supported, unused suggestions being ignored...."

Fern [side] (#163971)
"Tbh I've also been starting to feel frustrated with the fact that nearly every single month without fail, they release at least one (if not multiple) new base applicators, seemingly in lieu of more productive things. Do we really need this many app bases? Most genetics groups now have more applicator bases than breed-only bases, which is kind of silly for a breeding simulator. Most of all, poor Cream only has two non-combo BO bases throughout the entire group (and they're both in the same sub-category too) so most Cream applicators are not in high demand unless they're a factor for a combo base. Yet new apps for this already over-saturated group continue to be released more and more."

🫐Cali [Main] (#283676)
"I agree. Many updates such as new questlines, male poses, and the whack-a-snake have been pushed aside to deal with something that is unimportant to the game. Really. Bases are not required every month. Anyone who says otherwise is uneducated in this matter. We have too many bases and not enough GOOD, HEARTY UPDATES. Bases will pull less players into the game, whereas a new questline or even being able to play a new game might bring others in."

43831 (#43831)
"I think what also bothers me is that they don't actually keep up with the amount of bases and marks released, either. A lot of them end up missing entirely on mutations for months and months at a time. [...] Speaking of "not keeping up with markings", you know what, there's another meaning to that. This is actually a big problem with raffle marks as well. So many of them just straight up don't exist because either the owner is hoarding them, the owner of the original lioness went inactive, or whatever reason or combination of reasons the markings have gone extinct. This wasn't the case in the past, as they would only release a couple marks at a time and only once or twice every month or every other month, so the markings had time to spread and if not, they could track them easily to release another lioness, and even release those markings in another slot if they so choose. Now there are so many that they have to immediately move on to the next set and leave the others behind to die out. [...] also yeah lol my main's king is Nautilus also and I'm also a Cream fan and literally all you really have to work with is Ivory and Cherry Blossom for CLCSS and for me personally I'm kind of over pink/blue lions."

If you don't support, I'd like to know why. I appreciate constructive criticism over a simple "no".



This suggestion has 272 supports and 21 NO supports.



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Edited on 10/02/23 @ 02:31:21 by [♰] Yharnam (#112370)

🫐Elli [Main] (#283676)


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2022-08-21 12:10:01
I agree. Many updates such as new questlines, male poses, and the whack-a-snake have been pushed aside to deal with something that is unimportant to the game. Really. Bases are not required every month. Anyone who says otherwise is uneducated in this matter. We have too many bases and not enough GOOD, HEARTY UPDATES. Bases will pull less players into the game, whereas a new questline or even being able to play a new game might bring others in.



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Thalath {Side} (#43831)

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2023-02-10 02:09:01
I think what also bothers me is that they don't actually keep up with the amount of bases and marks released, either. A lot of them end up missing entirely on mutations for months and months at a time. I feel like it's gotten better in recent years but before I feel as though I remember some bases and markings being missing for 6+ months.

Edit: Speaking of "not keeping up with markings", you know what, there's another meaning to that. This is actually a big problem with raffle marks as well. So many of them just straight up don't exist because either the owner is hoarding them, the owner of the original lioness went inactive, or whatever reason or combination of reasons the markings have gone extinct. This wasn't the case in the past, as they would only release a couple marks at a time and only once or twice every month or every other month, so the markings had time to spread and if not, they could track them easily to release another lioness, and even release those markings in another slot if they so choose. Now there are so many that they have to immediately move on to the next set and leave the others behind to die out. More dead markings, and even fewer slots that they appear in.

I'm pretty sure some of the actual content was halted due to real life issues with one or more of the developers, and that's fine, but I wish they'd update us more on the progress of this content that has yet to be released. I was actually wondering about male poses the other day.

I also often find myself overwhelmed with choice, and I feel like a lot of other people are too and it ends up making a lot of lions look very same-y. I kind of just end up going back to the same markings I already like and know what slots they're in. This, alongside having too many marking slots now, actually almost makes it harder to design lions than it used to be, which sounds like nonsense but I swear it's totally the case for me. There's too much.

also yeah lol my main's king is Nautilus also and I'm also a Cream fan and literally all you really have to work with is Ivory and Cherry Blossom for CLCSS and for me personally I'm kind of over pink/blue lions.

I kind of feel bad because I feel like a lot of what I say when I talk about Lioden is negative, but I don't actively hate this game or anything or else I wouldn't be coming back to it still. It just has a lot of flaws that, in my opinion, need to be worked out and can actually be worked out relatively easily.

New marking packs used to be SUPER exciting and it actually felt rare for them to be Oasis or otherwise applicable. Most markings were released ~1-3 at a time and were generally breed only in some form, either by event NCL or Special Lioness.

I have some other gripes like the new style of backgrounds (not dissing the art itself; it's very good, incredible in fact; I just feel as though the new "sharp" style doesn't fit Lioden's aesthetic that well and is often distracting from the actual lion, which should be your eye's focus) but those gripes are not at all related to your topic so I will spare you :P



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Edited on 10/02/23 @ 02:24:13 by 43831 (#43831)

[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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2023-02-10 02:33:22
Thank you for the input, Cali and 43831. I appreciate it immensely. I had no idea about the Whack-a-snake issue and completely forgot about that game. The questlines too. The single Interstellar Quest has been the only one forever!

Also:
Edit as of 2.10.2023: Still no news on Male poses.

Please... just update us.



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