I defiantely dont like that. Stilll ni supprot especially if that is what is being considered

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blind is nonlethal, deaf is an adult lethal? i think, doublechecked wiki and blind is in the visible section, not the lethal.

either way, any new mutation that would need a new pose i feel like should be really something, like the jaglion or the new primal variant. its such a hassle for the art team that it would best be concentrated on something unique.

blind and deaf don't really warrant something unique in terms of lineart.

i suppose it could be added as a cub lethal, but without the new lineart, it's just a little boring... but i don't want them to make new lineart for a potential blind/deaf lethal because it's not very visually interesting as a mutation. unfortunately the lethals are good for trophies and if they're not visually interesting there's... not much point?

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I knew it was one of them that was lethal from like 6 motnsh to like 6-8 years and dies randomly.

Agree. That is the entire attraction to lethals is their looks and rarity

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That's what I'm trying to figure out -- I also see people liking deaf mutations although it doesn't have unique looks.

I don't think poses would have to be exclusive to primal variants and/or hybrids -- they have unique poses for the lethals we arleady have! Just saying it should warrant some poses to make it... Unique and not the same as blind nor deaf. They could be a adol lethal IF they have 100% survival rate every rollover, if not, they would be a cub lethal and die on the rollover they don't have 100% survival rate BUT would be able to be freezed or stored in dynasty.

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For primals there are more features than just a pose. They have unique physical traits such as nicer fur and bobbed tails. Its not "just a pose" that makes them unique as you are suggesting here. Hybrids also have unique features that aren't limited to poses.

In order for it to be unique a pose wont do. At that point the pose might as well be made for non-mutated lions rather than a double mutation which isn't unique at all.

And they wouldn't survive to adol lethal. Normal blind and deaf wouldn't even survive till then. It is a complete waste of time for the devs to make a new pose for something that is already in the game and rejected (double mutations).

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I'm still working out the details -- but I ensure you that when I'm done, it will be MORE unique, more unique than just a double mutation.

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I would also like to add a new gimmick to differentiate the mut from the other two, maybe they can be kinged as a cub and when adol have a not so long reign? I would like lethal muts that are able to be kinged because I sometimes would like to see a reign that lasts shorter than others while not requiring a high amount of GB. ( Maybe because I like the gimmick of Rouge Legacy's player characters having their own traits that force you to change your gameplay style. )

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Don't agree. They wouldn't be able to be kinged. No pion could survive being blind OR deaf, so they def won't be able to survive being both let alone be kinged. Seems like a waste since no one is gonna king if they can't be kinged for long anyways

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Would just like to note that early retirement has a cost associated with it for a reason and that I don't think there should be gameplay features in place to circumvent that.

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how about they have a guarenteed death as a cub unless assigned to a broodmother, and then die in a range of 1y-1y11m

seriously we need adol lethals

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I support, but hmmm...maybe for the sake of uniqueness, what if it was along the lines of a lion born without eyes and without earholes (and ears in general)? That would render it both blind AND deaf, and unique enough to satiate the masses, especially as an adol lethal. Just...smooth-headed lion.

Full agree that we need an adol lethal, and while I wouldn't support if there was hardly any pose...gimme a bit and I'll make some shitty lil mockups of some unique poses that it could utilize.

Edit: maybe the mutation is something along the lines of the top of the head failing to properly develop? The lion was born with enough brain to somewhat survive with care, but is developmentally stunted, has a skull appearing to almost be squished/halved, and lacks the eyes and ears. I don't know if this is a real genetic occurrence, tbh, but it seems logical enough to me. But yeah, it follows your idea while still remaining something that's completely unique.

Also...my phone is being a butt and I'm too lazy to grab my notebook, but here's my pose ideas...

Cub Newborn - 'loaf' pose? Mouth open, 'confused' expression.

Cub Young - Standing, rear is lower than upper with legs more splayed, front paw up, 3/4 view.

Cub - Sitting stance, splayed legs, 'attentive' face.

Adol Female - Upright/standing stagger-stance, head tilted slightly to the side and up, mouth open.

Adol Male - Upright/standing stagger-stance, shoulders are hunched, head is drooping.

((yikes, if I keep coming up with ideas, I may just have to make my own forum post))

Edit 2: I ended up modifying this suggestion and making its own post because it seemed unique enough from the original.

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They most definately.wouldnt live past cubhood in that state

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I keep seeing updates to this forum, and I have some ideas! First, I support as a cub or adol lethal, but I don’t think they could live to adulthood for realistic purposes. To make it more unique than a double mutation, I think having this more like an eyeless and earless would be cool. They could be blind and deaf because of eye and ear deformities Anophthalmia (absence of eyes but the eyelids are still there) and absent ear flaps (does not typically cause deafness but could lead to trauma/infection that could cause deafness). Unlike eyeless and blind, the eyes would be missing but the eyelids would still be visible and partially open. Unlike deaf and folded ears, there would be no external ears. Could be tweaks on the regular lineart, or new line art.

As cubs, they would struggle to survive and navigate the world, but could be using their noses and whiskers to find their mom and siblings. As adolescents, they may keep surviving for a few months, staying close to the pride and using their other senses to get around, but would most likely die if they did anything unsupervised. They would not be able to live to adulthood as they would not be able to communicate with pride members and not be able to do anything independently. There are just too many dangers for a lion who cannot hear or see.

Here's some references for what I was thinking of, on cats! (these do not belong to me)

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That's arlight, but one just made their own post because it was too different/original post.

I guess they could have half-closed eyes with a faded white colored cataracts, and exterior ears, but maybe very deformed? ( Not like folded, just straight up corrupted/Tattered )

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I mean one who had the same idea as you, but I still think they should instead have half closed, Foggy eyes, with distorted and Tattered ears

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