Posted by More Survival Elements 160 support!

Lady BlightWyvern (#21922)

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2014-06-17 10:34:46
This game should focus more on survival rather than just breeding the best coats. From what I have been noticing, lio-den is becoming more focused on breeding, and, well, that's about it. So how about a change? Add some suspense in the mix.


I would LOVE some of the suggestions Garet put here to be in effect, It would make this game come back to being realistic, and personally, I'd love to have the kind of suspense with these ideas. These are the aspects that are attempting to get support, the mechanics are being worked on below.

Also a GREAT topic similar to this one http://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=10011&page=17


FOR NCL LIONS

-Cubs could be more "useful" *have them "hunt" small bugs. Like cub patrolling or something..
-Your females don't get hurt or sick
-You don't get hurt or sick

-You don't have to drink water (maybe a new add on, Thirst, underneath Hunger) THIS CURRENTLY EXISTS. Hopefully it stays

-There are no negative repercussions for your pride in attacking villages (lioness gets hurt?)
-Your king doesn't starve to death ever, even if you never feed him



*By Cat (on not feeding your King)*
Well... how about when you male is below 60% hunger(as hungry as lionesses threatening to leave) he cannot fight as well? Or has a less of a chance things and focuses more on feeding himself/ small carcasses.

By Aliya on not feeding your King
In relation to people not feeding there kings, maybe they should bring it in that if your king reaches 100% hunger he looses stat points, or drops back in a couple of impression levels, I would find a starved lion to be pretty unimpressive if I was a lioness.

*On BREEDING
Aliya: I'm not suggesting that stronger lionesses would prevent breeding, I'm only suggesting that people would put more effort into their lionesses before breeding, and it wouldn't be restricted to extremes of 'must be level 10 to breed... or must have 500+ stats to breed'... I only was making a suggestion, that maybe a level 4 or 5 would be a start point for breeding ect.

jellyraptor: Lionesses below Average fertility have a higher chance of stillborn cubs, which would make mutations more rare and discourage people from constantly breeding NCL's ect.


Aliya on Trading with low mood/hunger
Another thought (I had on another thread with someone else)
Maybe if your selling and they are at 60% hunger or higher or at really low moods, they are not accepted in the TC and can not be transferred to another pride ect until their hunger and mood are fixed.
It would make people more serious about looking after and taking pride in what they are selling.

Oren's thread:
When somethings in a low mood, do you REALLY think that they'd want to hunt..that or on an empty stomach?
" ____ refuses to go hunting until you have played with her"
It would give more players incentive to interact with their lions daily!

And for submales "____refuses to patrol until you've played with him"

Your adolescent stomps around clawing at rocks and trees. Maybe you should play with him soon.


*On sick/damaged lion/esses*
Wounds:
Hunting: The lioness work together in a hunt and protect each other. if highly skilled ones are sent with lowly skilled ones they protect them from harm.

If you send out 5 Level 1 lionesses(extreme example m'kay?) they get wounded and cannot hunt for X amount of days. Injuries can vary, deadly ones are pass/cured by a SB/GB item from the Monkey like 'Jungle Water' or something(a mysterious liquid found in the Jungles of LioDen...it seems to make the sick healthy and heal the wounded...)
Males get wounded from PvP fights they lost and cannot be killed but harshly wounded and less likely to win other fights.

Newer players will get 5-10 game-months to train up their lionesses and have no repercussion from their males fighting to help them.

The chance of getting wounded during a hunt depends on several things:

- How many lionesses hunt
- Which Level the lioness(es) are/is
- The prey they hunt

So, if you send 5 lionesses on hunt, the chance is rather low, as they would protect each other (Cat's suggestion)

The higher the level, the higher the experience of a lioness, which means the lioness knows how to avoid getting injuried.

Of course getting wounded also depends on the prey. If they hunt a Buffalo or a Elephant (even if a calf), the chance is higher to get wounded.

Here a example:

- 2 lionesses (each lvl 5) bring back an Ibex (20% Chance of a wounded lioness)
- 5 lionesses (each lvl 5) bring back a Buffalo (30-40% Chance of a wounded lioness)
- 5 lionesses (each lvl 14) bring back a Buffalo (5-10% Chance of a wounded lioness)

Also if the wound is heavy/big or small depends on the prey.
A Buffalo or a Zebra can cause a bigger wound, than a Bongo or any Gazelle-type

A possible notice for a small or heavy/big wound could be:

- Your lioness got a small injury during the hunt. She wont be able to hunt for 1 day.
- Your lioness is heavly injuried. She wont be able to hunt for 2/3 days

WINDHOUNDS SUGGESTION
With a small wound a lioness couldn't hunt for 1 LioDen-day, maybe?
With a heavy wound maybe 2-3 days?

I mean can you hunt with a wound like THIS? *look at own risk* (go to page 3)

Sickness: Eating food close to expiration can create illness. Now, for me I see it two ways: the illness works like wounds, it prevent the lion from hunting, or makes it less likely to catch food. Males would be less likley to win(same as above,a nd cured the same way)

Cub Mortality
Stated it WILL be implemented in Lioden Eventually!



This suggestion has 216 supports and 0 NO supports.



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Edited on 12/08/14 by Lord BlightWyvern (#21922)

TheRingoZebra (#29166)

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2014-06-22 02:09:57
my point of view has not changed lioden is succeeding in being different from most SIM games and works well i play the game to explore and see what happens not to spend hours dealing with my lions it gets quite boring clicking through them all to groom feed etc ,adding more things seems like too much.

please be open minded some people love this game though they do have very little time to play it if your going to make repercussions for not doing something you must offer better rewards aswell otherwise those who struggle already will have more issues.

i understand rollover helps but i like to come one see whats happened so i have to click rollover but often or not thiers very little time to feed hunt etc,so still no support unless there is a better balance installed .

the staff can see both sides of the coin i have seen posts about more relizim before most agreed with because it made it more real with out making it a chore this is the first one i disagree with especially with the king i barely have enough food for my lioness i explore to feed my king when he finds carcasses.

i won't be replying or reading this anymore it appears we are on different levels of thought on this .



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Cat (#5265)

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2014-06-22 02:13:12
Not a problem with me FrozenFall, everyone has their point of view

Though I don't get why people always put "I won't be replying or reading the rest". Not as a jab atcha, you just reminded me of my curiosity :3



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TheRingoZebra (#29166)

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2014-06-22 04:47:22
well lucky i did come back no i do it more for me ,i have a bad habit on otherwebsites of comeing back to these things and honestly elsewhere it causes trouble XD

hm not sure about others though ^^



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NinjaCheetah (#31940)

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2014-06-23 03:54:18
Hmm, I'm not sure about most of this. I mean, it feels like it's taking the fun out of it and it'll end up being a little too realistic. And some suggestions feel like they're just trying to force their style on other people? Like the not breeding low level lionesses. Personally, I don't do it as much, but what's wrong with doing it? It's not harming you in any way. It's just the way people play.

I don't know. I mean, I prefer realism to fantasy, despite the fact I have a purple lioness ahaha but this seems a little extreme?




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Edited on 23/06/14 by NinjaCheetah (#31940)

Cat (#5265)

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2014-06-23 05:23:42
Ninja's right, I forgot that :o
We could not, should not impose on a players style. All for more realism but LioDen is pretty free-flowing in many ways



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Aliya (Spotted
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2014-06-23 13:46:13
Just want to point out that suggestion on breeding higher level lionesses/not breeding lower level lionesses was not posted how I originally wrote it.
I'm not suggesting that stronger lionesses would prevent breeding, I'm only suggesting that people would put more effort into their lionesses before breeding, and it wouldn't be restricted to extremes of 'must be level 10 to breed... or must have 500+ stats to breed'... I only was making a suggestion, that maybe a level 4 or 5 would be a start point for breeding ect.

Yes I totally understand and agree everyone has their own style of playing a game.
But for a lot of us we have already taken a step back (many players did quit) when stat points were changed, first a change of how stats were allocated during hunting... part of the change was because people were complaining they couldnt find enough food while hunting... now your lionesses are guaranteed to bring back at least 1 item of food, each lionesses gets 1 stat point per hunt, you can now hunt every half hour.
I would agree its a win/win
But so many people are forgeting about the hours poured in that people play and level up, gaining stats, I worked really hard (as have many others) to get my ladies up to the 900+ and my stud to 1000+ only to find that oh look too many people are left behind with stat gains I know lets halve the pass rate... :/
I know I sound like I'm complaining but how is what I'm saying any different to anyone else?

I've had to change my game play slightly to re-adjust, and if some of these suggestions are used by the developers then I'm sure others would be willing to adjust.

I'm not saying I want to see people loose lions, that 90% of cubs get killed ect...

Sorry I'm starting to rant a little... I will probably edit this later...



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Lady BlightWyvern (#21922)

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2014-06-24 00:26:03
Whoops, sorry Aliya, I think I might've copy and pasted and missed some of your stuff.
If we can't breed low fertilites then we can't have the mutations.

@Aliya, oh don't get me started on the stat point change. :I q_q



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Edited on 24/06/14 by Blightwyvern (#21922)

AzurePegasus (#30305)

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2014-06-24 04:05:20
I think the hunting with lower leveled lionesses thing is a good idea, but maybe just having a CHANCE of getting injured. A young lioness with little experience in hunting would know better than to get near a buffalo or giraffe.



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Aliya (Spotted
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2014-06-24 12:28:54
Its ok Blightwyvern, I was having a really bad day, I seem to be reading a lot of simillier comments that sound like people are suggesting lions should not need to be fed ect.
Its not a show pony sim its a lion sim... XD

Part of playing a game to have it be a bit challenging, as well as fun... I think some people forget that challenge can add satisfaction when you over come certain challenges.



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Lady BlightWyvern (#21922)

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2014-06-24 13:32:52
Yes, completely agree. xD and it's all good.



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Lady BlightWyvern (#21922)

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2014-06-29 03:37:10
Found a great topic similar to this one http://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=10011&page=17



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Clementine (Reduced
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Edited on 13/03/22 @ 00:14:45 by Clementine (#34465)

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2014-06-30 08:17:41
No support for the potential of your main dying. Sorry, nope. And there ARE repercussions in place if you have low hunger - it takes much longer for your energy to return. Also, you already receive impression from winning fights.

And the hunting/sick stuff would make everything much more difficult for new players, or those who have fewer lionesses.

Honestly I don't support most of these suggestions, sorry, nor do I think it would be reasonable to implement them.



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Lady BlightWyvern (#21922)

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2014-07-01 06:55:07
Not getting your energy back is rather a petty thing if you were starving. Not being able to explore or win fights while starving is more meaningful. So if the kings don't die, then AT LEAST this should be a thing.


@Squirrelstar, this topic is older than 3 days. So not sure what you're getting at.



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Aliya (Golden Pride) (#12734)

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2014-07-10 12:51:15
I wouldn't suggest that the main king dies from starvation either, lets face it, it that happened so many people would let it happen so they could fill his place with a better stronger, more appealing heir.

But there should be more serious things in place when people deliberately starve their kings.
Things that could be impletemented could include:
Not being able to fight other players for skill/experience/territory.
Not being able to fight during exploring.
Not being able to claim/impress females.
I think the main king should still be able to explore so people can still collect items/food
I understand some people can not feed all their lions due to not finding/hunting enough food.
The best thing to do in that situation though is simple... Cut down on your prides numbers!
Concentrating on 5 lionesses, one submale and your king is far easier then filling every territory slot you have and then claiming you can not afford to feed them all!

I had to say it cause its been driving me nuts the amount of people saying they can not feed them all/want free food/ have starving lions... just urgh you go to their pride and find they have 40 lionesses, 3 submales and like 30 odd cubs and adols!




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