Posted by Double Merle

thecloudkingdom (#87289)

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2017-04-14 15:47:09
I know merle is a marking for dogs and not lions, but Lioden hasn't always been true to life *cough* pink lions *cough*, so there's no reason that lions on Lioden can't have merle too!

Now, Lioden doesn't have merle as a marking or a mutation, but I'm not suggesting merle as a mutation anyway. Rather, I'm suggesting double merle as a mutation!

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(image is a link btw) Here you can see the difference between regular merles and double merles. Double merles have much more white spotting than regular merles. They're called double merles because they have Homozygous Dominant alleles of the merle gene, whereas regular merles have Heterozygous alleles for the merle gene (that's two active merle genes versus one active merle gene). This doubled gene makes many double merles both blind and deaf.

Double merles have eye problems. Every double merle has sight and/or hearing problems because of its doubled gene. These eye problems have many forms, usually manifesting as a combination of problems. These problems include
- micropthalmia (physically small eyeballs)
- "starburst" pupils (irregular shaped pupils, edges of the pupil look "torn")
- "dropped" pupil (pupil is physically lower than the center of the iris)
- anopthalmia (no eyeball, empty socket looks pink and swollen)
- blindness

Double merle could either be its own mutation, or it could have a very slim chance of popping up in piebald/nonpied and/or pied/pied breedings. to be honest, i'd rather it be limited to pied/pied breedings for the sake of retaining the "double" part double merle, but that's just my opinion

also, i'd rather it be nonlethal, but have the same debuffs as blind/eyeless lions (can't be kinged/sent to hunt). Double merles really only have problems with deafness and blindness for the most part

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image by Ankokou #3124

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examples of the merle pattern by Brighty #22310

suggestions:
- red and blue double merles (2 mutations, like the multiple pied mutations) (Heda Redbox #56702)
- mutation appears as a total overlay rather than a partial overlay (total overlay being like achromia and melanism, partial overlay being like piebald), shows as white with patches of merle and eye deformations (Ankokou #3124)
- debuffs similar to the blind and eyeless mutations?



This suggestion has 258 supports and 22 NO supports.



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Edited on 16/04/17 @ 09:18:10 by thecloudkingdom (#87289)

Whale Biologist 🐋 (#35355)

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2017-04-22 12:34:03

As you say, roan is a marking, not a mutation. I actually think (hetero/'regular') merle could be a really cool marking, if Xy could get it to look right. However, as a mutation, I still think it'd be more work than it's worth for basically what we already have.




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thecloudkingdom (#87289)

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2017-04-22 13:20:12
merle as a marking would be lovely, but it's very similar to the existent roan marking and i'm concerned that it'd confuse players if merle and double merle both existed



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Whale Biologist 🐋 (#35355)

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2017-04-22 13:25:20

Merle as I've seen it comes with larger spots and covers the entire body (excluding when white comes into play) like these lovely people have shown on their statuettes. It's basically evenly dispersed dark patches and/or spots. They can have much larger spots, as well.

Additionally, we have achromia, albinoid eyes, and albino base. They coexist pretty normally on LD.




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thecloudkingdom (#87289)

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2017-04-22 13:27:09
good point nyu, i forgot about the achromia/albinoid/albino confusion (also those figurines are adorable)



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Brighty
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2017-04-22 14:39:39
I want one of those figures!! Gonna send one of my models to get repainted

Some of the mutations and markings on Lioden are mixed up, for example Piebald is a marking in real life and vitiligo is a mutation in real life whereas on the game they're opposite



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thecloudkingdom (#87289)

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2017-04-23 01:53:22
brighty actually, markings and piebald are technically both mutations, vitiligo is hypopigmentism caused by injury, illness, chemical bleaching, or genetic factors. it has many causes, many aren't genetic at all



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2017-06-10 02:07:18
No support.

I think there's a difference between "weird colors on an animal breeding website" and "something that will absolutely never occur in any kind of cat, or any Feliform".
Edit: I supported the roman nose mutation, and wanted to add here how I view that as different. Roman nose can occur in house cats, and in other Feliforms. Double merle occurs in domestic dogs. Just in dogs. Plus, it's too similar to albinism.

OTHER EDIT: Also taking into consideration that double merle DOES NOT occur from breeding two dogs with piebald markings. If you breed two piebald Akita, they're not going to produce a double merle puppy, they're going to produce a piebald puppy. It's a different set of genetics.



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Edited on 10/06/17 @ 02:11:38 by fortmax (#91111)

thecloudkingdom (#87289)

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2017-06-10 08:23:20
fortmax, i never said it occurred from breeding piebalds together. that was just a game mechanic suggestion. besides, lioden isn't the most realistic when it comes to stuff like markings/mutations



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Luna (#53)

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2017-08-23 11:29:09
I was hoping someone suggested Merle, as I have an Aussie in real life and his colors are gorgeous. Such a great pattern and mutation idea. 👍🏻



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Edited on 23/08/17 @ 11:30:06 by Luna ✨ Hard Mode (#53)

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2019-01-18 03:41:00
How about this
Merle (Blue)
Merle (Red)
Merle (Double)?



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Savanna (#299126)

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2023-08-30 00:45:55
I love the idea and it looks so pretty!



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2024-01-11 09:26:19
i think it would be cool if merle could be a marking and breeding 2 parents with the mark had a chance of producing a double merle!



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2024-01-23 19:49:22
Oh so sorry! I didn't read the full post before commenting



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Edited on 23/01/24 @ 19:50:58 by Noisy🐤 (#373504)







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