Posted by -ADDED TO THE GAME-Fix How Markings Roll

Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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2017-08-20 20:22:04



Hello, recently I was partaking in a breeding project that served not only to further a king project of mine, but also to prove a point to myself. After I had already spent countless amount of currency and time in this project, I found most of my effort was for not. Although it seems to not be common public knowledge, males roll their markings before females, and I think this needs to change. Below I'm going to give some reasons and possible solutions. In the comments I will gladly give answers the best I can to any questions, and I would appreciate if you included below why you do or do not support, especially for the latter.

1. Our markets tank too fast. Male's rolling first means that there is a greater chance of his markings passing, so he has a higher chance to pass markings to the infinite females that he can breed. As I'll explain below, the current system drives our markets for markings down greatly and ruins any rarity they might have had.

2. Males breed so much more than females. A female can breed once about every 20 days. 23 if you don't use an IBF because of the pregnancy time period. A male can breed until his energy runs out, and then again once it refills. This means that in a single day a stud can breed his genetics into 20+ females of good fertility.

3. No one wants clones of their studs to exist, or at least, most people don't. You work hard for your stud to exist. What is the point of breeding so hard for him if he can just pass all his markings to any female with little to no issue (I know there are marking pass rates or something, but most markings pass quicker than an STD). Most people, like displayed [here], just kill said clones. It's discouraging for other people to profit off your hard work.

To me, honestly, it doesn't make sense that markings rolled like this to begin with.

My suggestion is to change it so:

A. (Suggestion from Locust) For them to make it 50/50 chance for mother & father (mention [Here]).

B. Females roll their markings first.

Either would put more worth back into our females, put more worth into selective breeding [IE: This female to this stud instead of 50 NCLs to a king, which floods the market and tanks it], and put more worth back into the marking market.


So far the most popular fix is "make it 50/50".



[Project Thread] + [Roll Confirmation]


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Edited on 10/12/17 @ 18:53:48 by Heda RedBox (#56702)

Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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2017-12-10 18:51:37

Both "Fixes" shall remain on the thread; however, in light of people preferring the latter, I have shifted their order so that suggestion 50/50 is listed first and an enlarged text has been added at the bottom to re-denote to its popularity.




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Edited on 10/12/17 @ 18:54:32 by Heda RedBox (#56702)

[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2017-12-10 20:10:50
Making females roll first would likely just create the same problem, but in reverse, making studs borderline useless.

I fully support 50/50, so that neither market is endangered.



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Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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2017-12-10 20:18:17

I'm aware, which is why it is the least preferred 'fix'.




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Myr [frozen -
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2017-12-12 16:07:10
Don’t know how I missed this until now, but I somehow didn’t realise males rolled first. Was it officially confirmed by staff somewhere, or did players just figure it out? And if it’s like that for markings, is it the same for bases and everything else too..?

And would a male's empty slot roll before a female's filled slot too, if this is how it’s set up? In which case breeding to a stud with less markings to try and pass specific markings from the mother wouldn’t help either...I'm not sure if I’m just being slow to grasp the ins and outs of this, but I really haven’t got my head round it yet!

Any, apologies for getting slightly off-topic - I absolutely support them passing 50/50 like suggested :)



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Edited on 12/12/17 @ 16:08:33 by Myriad ☕ (#188)

Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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2017-12-12 16:13:47

Thalath confirmed it to me back when they were a helper. It's not public knowledge as far as I know. You just have to happen to find the info. And the results on my studding with margays seems to really push the fact.

I've no idea if it rolls empty slots. I would think it wouldn't but you never know. In some cases, breeding to a stud with less markings wouldn't work even if it didn't roll empty slots though since some studs are special (When I was doing this Margay thing there were limited ones with what I needed).




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Myr [frozen -
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2017-12-12 16:18:30
That’s what I figured - thanks, I’ll have to try and bear this in mind more with my breedings from now on!



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Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)

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2017-12-13 07:18:36
I know my king isn't that special looking, doesn't have a ton of rare marks, and isn't high stat, but I did throw more than 300GB into making him look the way he does. I really don't want people to pay 700sb to get a near identical clone. He's been throwing them so often for me that I'm considering taking him off the market.

Edits for spelling (which was bad).



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Edited on 13/12/17 @ 09:14:04 by Bezthiel (#81210)

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2017-12-13 07:41:40



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Edited on 13/12/17 @ 08:49:15 by Linda-058 (Primal) (#56198)

☘ Nifur (side (#98977)

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2017-12-13 09:07:31
I figured a possible solution in the chat, however I didn't read all the poses in this thread, so um if it's repeated then don't mind this.

how about let male's markings and female's markings roll simultaneously, both given a number randomly from 1~100 as the marking's opacity, and which ever have the higher number gets to pass?



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Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)

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2017-12-13 09:21:57
Although it's a bit (only a tiny bit) off-topic: Going through and counting all the cubs my king produced after I removed his slot 4 Red Zebra, I realized that, more often than not, when the mother has a marking in slot 4 (I'm trying like hell to pass a slot 4 mark, so I've been paying some attention), I get nothing.

I used to just get tons of slot 4 Red Zebras, which is why I removed it. I needed to pass Saffron Underfelt from one of my girls, which was constantly being overridden by the Zebra marking (that, by the way, I spent more than 50GB to PUT ON my king, on purpose, between RMAs and removals) and couldn't. He actually had more cubs with the Saffron Underfelt marking before I removed his Red Zebra (3...) than he did afterward (1).



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Edited on 13/12/17 @ 09:24:42 by Bezthiel (#81210)

Raina Chiaki (#54236)

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2017-12-13 09:24:27
As a whole, not really fond of this idea. However, if it has to be changed, I'm more so O.K. with zoey(side (#98977)'s idea.



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Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)

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2017-12-13 09:26:59
Could you possibly tell us why you're not a fan? It could maybe be fixed up to be a better idea.



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☘ Nifur (side (#98977)

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2017-12-13 09:31:21
that's sad to hear Bezthiel, I'm trying to breed five specific markings for my future heir lmao.
I got 3 on my current main account king, plus one Quagga and one Vitiligo which my king doesn't have. I've only started this project recently but I'm afraid that I will have the same problem you are facing. my king has Bloodbourn Vit in 2, but I want the quagga in 2 for my future heir :/, right now my king is not throwing me off that bad but I'll see, if he pass Bloodbourn vit too often instead of quagga I might remove his slot 1 marking and try for quagga in 1 instead... which is not ideal



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Raina Chiaki (#54236)

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2017-12-13 09:35:49
Fair enough I'm really not fond of changing it simply because I *want* my king to give me clones, though that's especially true on my side. Most of the ladies I keep are because they resemble him. I guess one could debate if I have clones, it doesn't really matter, and that's fair to point out, but some have completely different marks that I would prefer did not pass, and I'm not going to spend the GB to remove. With the system as it is, most undesired marks stay in the background (since my king has 9 marks on the account it really matters, it's semi-rare for the female's to take the slot). I am, of course, always willing to change my mind, so will be watching the comments until the final decision is made Hope my little rant made sense ^_^



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Edited on 13/12/17 @ 09:38:11 by Deck the Hellsing (Integra) (#54236)

Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)

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2017-12-13 09:39:50
This would barely affect you at all, if you're breeding to and to produce clones of your king in the first place. If it were changed to a 50/50 pass rate, and you bred a slot 4 Feline 6 Onyx to your king, the chances are it'll pass. And if you're keeping lionesses that already look like your king, chances are good they have most markings in common, correct?



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