Posted by -ADDED TO THE GAME-Let the Giving Tree Keep Cub Mutations!

[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2017-09-15 04:09:47
[ Support My Other Suggestions? ]

Making Sub Males More Useful
Alter Stat Change to Giving Tree Cubs
Change 'Dust' Eye Applicator Term to 'Fragments'
New Event Title Ideas!
More Leg + Tail Banding Colours
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✪ Summary:

This suggestion is intended to (hopefully) be implemented along side [ this one ] if it is approved.

Imagine taking your daily cub pull from The Giving Tree, only to find out that someone was generous enough to donate a Primal, a Dwarf, an Overgrown Fur, or some other mutation. Maybe you've had bad luck getting Muties. Maybe you've spent so much that you've given up hope of getting one. Maybe you're a newbie who doesn't even know much about Muties yet.

Whatever your reason, you'd probably be stoked, wouldn't you? Even if it wound up being a Mutie you didn't like, there's always a chance you could sell it.

You might say "Who would donate a Mutie?", but the fact of the matter is that there's some among us who would love to be so generous, and make someone's day better with a little surprise!
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✪ What I Am Proposing:

[+] Removing the function from The Giving Tree that wipes an abandoned cub's mutations, and allowing them to keep it.

[NOTE 1] It would likely be good to suggest that Lethal Mutations shouldn't be able to be put in the tree. Due to Lethal Mutations only living a few days at the most, and how many cubs are sometimes in the tree, this would essentially be dumping a Lethal Mutie in the trash can as it could very well die at rollover. There is also the issue of someone not having a Jellyfish on hand to make it immortal, nor having the GB to buy one, so getting one only to have it die would only lead to unnecessary heartbreak. For this reason, I feel it's best to leave Lethal Muties out of this.

[NOTE 2] I would suggest not having the Giving Tree give any indication of there being a Mutie in the tree, as this would ruin the surprise. That's what this suggestion is about. A pleasant surprise!

**IMPORTANT FOR ADMIN TEAM CONSIDERATION!**
[NOTE 3] Along side another couple of suggestions, I was hoping it could be considered to modify how The Giving Tree handles stats of abandoned cubs. You can find the suggestion [ here ].

Really that's it! I think this would be amazing to implement, and add some brand new excitement to The Giving Tree. ♥

If you don't support, I'd like to know why. I appreciate constructive criticism over a simple "no".

-:[ IMPORTANT ]:-

Please consider going to [ THIS PAGE ] and reading the comments posted by the five or so individuals prior to my post here. They are mutie breeders themselves who raise a lot of points and address concerns.

I would appreciate if NEW counter-points were posited that offer actual evidence and/or data to back up that this would make muties less valuable. So far, nobody has been able to provide concrete evidence of this or an in depth explanation that doesn't just revolve around the exact same thing being said.


The facts thus far:

> Putting muties in The Giving Tree is still optional.
> Those who want to sell muties will still sell them.
> Those who wish to give away muties for free will still do so.
> This would do would eliminate the middle-man, and not require users to post on the forums or in sales chat if they want to give away a mutie. It would actually be beneficial for users who are busy and don't have the time or patience to check threads or set up trades.
> It will make the process of obtaining said mutie entirely random, and actually increase the chance that muties wind up in the hands of someone who has none, which can be beneficial to the site in encouraging a user to stay if they get something special.
> As proven with the ability to put rare and valuable items in the tree, it has been widely demonstrated for a very long time that nobody is willing to donate enough - if any - of a valuable item (Buffalo Balls, Lion Balls, GMO Cow, Lion Meat, Mutie on Demands, etc.) for it to negatively impact the market. The same would be true for valuable mutations.
> Even 'potato' mutations such as leopons and dwarves are still extremely valuable for breeding, given the ease with which one can pass the Stud's markings compared to female markings with the current system.
> In order to negatively impact the market, a significant amount of the same type of mutie would need to be thrown into the Tree. Throwing a mutie into the Tree would likely be a special event in which the user donating it announces such, similar to how users currently donate Mottled Rosette cubs, which likewise does not damage the Mottled Rosette market.

I am all for discussing things in and out in a civilized manner, but every time I try to follow up on people stating this to get more input, I'm met with silence, and it's a little silly at this point.



This suggestion has 1134 supports and 63 NO supports.



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Edited on 14/05/18 @ 15:05:36 by -:[ ᴠɪɴᴄᴇɴᴛ ]:- (#108458)

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Posted on
2017-09-15 04:15:00
I agree with this!!!!!!!



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Nihil (#33800)

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2017-09-15 04:54:29
I have a primal king, I'd give a few primal cubbins or my potato bobbed tail off, So, I support



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Coleoptera (#122306)

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2017-09-15 16:22:39
Definitely support. I'd love to donate any AMPs I breed and whatnot



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zoop 🐸 (ebony) (#41823)

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2017-09-15 16:29:40
I think this is a great idea!! I know a lot of people here on Lioden love being generous now and again. I imagine it would be so exciting to see who gets their mutie! And it's not like the Giving Tree would become overrun with muties -- there'd still be few people who'd be willing to give them up for free. I'm curious to know what people's arguments against this are -- I really can't think of a reason!



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2017-09-15 16:33:24
Thank you everyone for all the support thus far! ; v; ~♥

@Skkon_(#41823) :: I can't imagine why abandoning a mutie cub to the giveaway tree would be any different than abandoning any other cub. The only real exception to abandoning a mutie I can think of would be the case of lethal muties.



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zoop 🐸 (ebony) (#41823)

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2017-09-15 17:29:15
@₮he ₲odeater - Vincent(#108458) -- Ah, good point! On the other hand, that's the fun of the Giving Tree -- it's a total mystery what you're going to get! Some people would even like getting lethals, tbh :,)



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Coleoptera (#122306)

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2017-09-15 17:32:21
Oh yeah I'd love getting a lethal! Especially conjoined babies



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2017-09-16 08:23:20
@Skkon_ (#41823) :: It's not a matter of if people would like getting them, but rather that lethals all die before adolescence, and males don't tend to get picked up as fast as females, so there's a chance it'd just die in the tree if it was male, I'd assume. Some lethals only live a few days.



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eris ⚢ (#111330)

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2017-09-16 09:42:27
i don't see any reason not to support this (aside from the male lethals mentioned above)! totally behind this suggestion!



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Nihil (#33800)

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2017-09-16 12:18:30
What if there was a very vague notification like an icon or line of text that says there's a mutie visible at birth at the tree?
I'm certain people would clear out even the male cubs if there was something of that sort, So that would prevent the male mutie from dying
Maybe the Adult Mutation Present ones still show up as normal cubs until their time



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Juminakata (River) (#6903)

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2017-09-17 03:40:50
ooo, that would be great! definitely support with Corvo's idea



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2017-09-17 09:18:08
I think that'd ruin the surprise, personally. xD



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Khajiit {G2 dorsal
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2017-09-17 09:19:08
Sorry, no support. If there was such possibility the mutie market would crash even more than it already is because there will be influx of very low stats nearly free mutated tree cubs in Trading Center. It will make mutie prices go down so much it wouldn't be profitable at all to breed them.



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Raina Chiaki (#54236)

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2017-09-17 09:22:59
Sorry, but no support. It's hard enough to sell my decent primals on side for about 1gb or less, the last thing the market needs is free muties. If you want to be generous, why not find a user in chat who maybe has no mutations, and offer it to them?



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2017-09-17 09:34:33
Bat {Ice Piebald} 😈 (#70152)
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Noted. I'll let the suggestion stay up a bit longer and see if anyone can bring up a good counter point.

Though really, giving away a mutie for free to a random user is really no different, and I cannot possibly imagine that the number of people actually donating muties to the tree would be very big. Certainly not enough to flood the market, either. Most folks want to actually still sell them. If there's profit to be made, the large majority of the userbase - from what I've seen - is more interested in actually making that profit. So I don't think it would impact the market very much when there'd maybe be one every few days in the tree, if that. Likely, also, we probably wouldn't actually see many people putting things like felis, smilus, pieds and dwarves in the tree, if any.



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