Posted by -ADDED TO THE GAME-Let the Giving Tree Keep Cub Mutations!

[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2017-09-15 04:09:47
[ Support My Other Suggestions? ]

Making Sub Males More Useful
Alter Stat Change to Giving Tree Cubs
Change 'Dust' Eye Applicator Term to 'Fragments'
New Event Title Ideas!
More Leg + Tail Banding Colours
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✪ Summary:

This suggestion is intended to (hopefully) be implemented along side [ this one ] if it is approved.

Imagine taking your daily cub pull from The Giving Tree, only to find out that someone was generous enough to donate a Primal, a Dwarf, an Overgrown Fur, or some other mutation. Maybe you've had bad luck getting Muties. Maybe you've spent so much that you've given up hope of getting one. Maybe you're a newbie who doesn't even know much about Muties yet.

Whatever your reason, you'd probably be stoked, wouldn't you? Even if it wound up being a Mutie you didn't like, there's always a chance you could sell it.

You might say "Who would donate a Mutie?", but the fact of the matter is that there's some among us who would love to be so generous, and make someone's day better with a little surprise!
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✪ What I Am Proposing:

[+] Removing the function from The Giving Tree that wipes an abandoned cub's mutations, and allowing them to keep it.

[NOTE 1] It would likely be good to suggest that Lethal Mutations shouldn't be able to be put in the tree. Due to Lethal Mutations only living a few days at the most, and how many cubs are sometimes in the tree, this would essentially be dumping a Lethal Mutie in the trash can as it could very well die at rollover. There is also the issue of someone not having a Jellyfish on hand to make it immortal, nor having the GB to buy one, so getting one only to have it die would only lead to unnecessary heartbreak. For this reason, I feel it's best to leave Lethal Muties out of this.

[NOTE 2] I would suggest not having the Giving Tree give any indication of there being a Mutie in the tree, as this would ruin the surprise. That's what this suggestion is about. A pleasant surprise!

**IMPORTANT FOR ADMIN TEAM CONSIDERATION!**
[NOTE 3] Along side another couple of suggestions, I was hoping it could be considered to modify how The Giving Tree handles stats of abandoned cubs. You can find the suggestion [ here ].

Really that's it! I think this would be amazing to implement, and add some brand new excitement to The Giving Tree. ♥

If you don't support, I'd like to know why. I appreciate constructive criticism over a simple "no".

-:[ IMPORTANT ]:-

Please consider going to [ THIS PAGE ] and reading the comments posted by the five or so individuals prior to my post here. They are mutie breeders themselves who raise a lot of points and address concerns.

I would appreciate if NEW counter-points were posited that offer actual evidence and/or data to back up that this would make muties less valuable. So far, nobody has been able to provide concrete evidence of this or an in depth explanation that doesn't just revolve around the exact same thing being said.


The facts thus far:

> Putting muties in The Giving Tree is still optional.
> Those who want to sell muties will still sell them.
> Those who wish to give away muties for free will still do so.
> This would do would eliminate the middle-man, and not require users to post on the forums or in sales chat if they want to give away a mutie. It would actually be beneficial for users who are busy and don't have the time or patience to check threads or set up trades.
> It will make the process of obtaining said mutie entirely random, and actually increase the chance that muties wind up in the hands of someone who has none, which can be beneficial to the site in encouraging a user to stay if they get something special.
> As proven with the ability to put rare and valuable items in the tree, it has been widely demonstrated for a very long time that nobody is willing to donate enough - if any - of a valuable item (Buffalo Balls, Lion Balls, GMO Cow, Lion Meat, Mutie on Demands, etc.) for it to negatively impact the market. The same would be true for valuable mutations.
> Even 'potato' mutations such as leopons and dwarves are still extremely valuable for breeding, given the ease with which one can pass the Stud's markings compared to female markings with the current system.
> In order to negatively impact the market, a significant amount of the same type of mutie would need to be thrown into the Tree. Throwing a mutie into the Tree would likely be a special event in which the user donating it announces such, similar to how users currently donate Mottled Rosette cubs, which likewise does not damage the Mottled Rosette market.

I am all for discussing things in and out in a civilized manner, but every time I try to follow up on people stating this to get more input, I'm met with silence, and it's a little silly at this point.



This suggestion has 1134 supports and 63 NO supports.



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Edited on 14/05/18 @ 15:05:36 by -:[ ᴠɪɴᴄᴇɴᴛ ]:- (#108458)

biskitten (#133512)

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2017-12-17 03:42:01
As someone new on the site, this would be a really nice way to experience generosity without needing to beg. I don't know anything about the market on this site yet, so I can't speak on how it'd effect that.



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2017-12-17 04:09:30
@biskit (#133512) :: Exactly. I can only imagine a new player pulling mutie out of the tree, not knowing what it is and asking in chat, and finding out and getting excited. That'd make me smile!



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Bourbon
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2017-12-17 10:33:33
i disagree with this because it would possibly make it easier to everyone to obtain rarer muts. and the purpose of rare muts IS to be rare and not being cluttered everywhere. i mean sure, i myself still hope to somehow get a leopon but not possibly this way. so nope, i do not support this.



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2017-12-17 10:50:42
@Bourbon (SilverBullet's side) (#46127) :: How? Like legitimately I would like new evidence posited to support this claim. People who have an interest in selling muties would still sell muties. People who want to give them away would still give them away. All this really would do would be remove a middle man in needing to post to the forums or advertise in sales chat.

Nobody will be forced to dump muties at the tree.
The tree won't magically duplicate muties.

If you have actual new counter-points in how this would devalue them in any way since people are already allowed to give them away for free, I would like to know.



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Rat (Side) (#32800)

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2017-12-17 11:18:28
It's common sense that the tree wouldn't be flooded with Felis and Dwarfes like other people belive, so I see absolutely no reason to not support this suggestion.

If people want to give their muties away for no profit, why stand in their way? Everyone would get a fair chance to get a mutie from the tree and the oroginal owner doesn't have to advertise an unwanted cub in the sales chat or forums. Instead they will "get rid of it" fast and suprise someone who wants to adopt a random cub from the tree




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Bourbon
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2017-12-19 03:24:39
my point is that people at the same time are complaining at how devalued i.e. the standard primal is. BECAUSE people gave them for free a ton. i mean sure, if it is a gift between friends i dont say anything but otherwise i see no reason for it.
long said short: muties kept at the tree WILL devalue them even more even if it may happen slowly.



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wine [M] ♡ (#129733)

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2017-12-21 07:18:28
I think this is absolutely a good idea ^-^ FULLY support the idea !
Its so hard and expensive to get a mut these days, that just to find one at the tree sent by someone else who doesnt want it would be amazing and the unpredictable outcome of what cub or adol you can get would make it an even rare and fun experience to have esspecially to those either doing projects or who are new ! ^-^



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2017-12-21 07:35:34
@Bourbon (SilverBullet's side) (#46127) :: I believe that the only thing that will truly prevent this method of devaluing is to prevent users from being allowed to give away muties for free in general, but for obvious reasons, this would greatly upset people.

The unfortunate part of this is, regardless of whether or not this is implemented, primals will continue to be devalued. Not just because of people giving them away for free, but because they're one of the more common muties these days.

The amount of people who try for primals raises the amount of primals in game every time they succeed.
Having MoD: Primal increases the amount of primals in game, and doubly so every January.
Every time those new MoD: Primal males breed, it raises the amount of primals in game when one is successfully bred.
Primals are also rather commonly naturally-occurring.
People are also more frequently breeding to Smilus and Felis studs in an attempt to get Smilus and Felis cubs, which always has a chance of giving an unwanted primal, which might be given away.

Sadly, the only real way I can think of to fix the problem regarding common muties is to dial back the chance of them being born further, allowing the existing ones to die out and in the meantime reducing the amount born. The devaluing of muties that are already low in value seems to be more due in part to the amount of people trying for them or getting them by accident than people giving them away for free.

In other words, the supply is way more than the demand. This is seen in any sort of economic exchange in which too much of something exists.



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Posted on
2017-12-21 07:40:16
yess!



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Bourbon
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2017-12-22 01:21:44
well that is a good point.
maybe if this would be implemented, the chance of a cub keeping its mut could be set to a certain percentage. like lets say... 30-40% either with all muts or depending on general rarity like those being more abundant having a lower chance to keep the mut wich could slightly reduce their amount aswell. that would be a possible way to partially satisfy both sides, those who dont want this to be implemented in the way you initially stated (like me) and those who totally want it.

anyway, the possible implement is the decision of the admins anyway i guess because of the risk of the increased devalue on certain muts. (well i admit i wouldnt mind if it happend to leopons^^')



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2017-12-22 10:27:08
@Bourbon (SilverBullet's side) (#46127) :: Another possibility would be so that only a certain number of muties could be in the tree at a time. It could be a limit like 15 - which, if I'm being completely honest, I doubt it will ever be that high - but having an imposed limit might make people feel better.

I'd like to reiterate that I don't want the tree itself to ever 'broadcast' to users that there is a mutie in it, because part of this is the element of surprise.

As is, you don't know what cub you're gunna get from the tree. You don't know what it's base or markings are gunna be, if it's a potato or not. So really users should never actually know that there's a mutie in the tree unless they try to donate one and it would return a message of "More mutated cubs cannot be abandoned at this time!" or similar. Really that'd be the only way to find out, and nobody's going to dump a mutie just to test, I'd reckon.

Lemme know what you think?



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Bourbon
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Posted on
2017-12-23 04:46:49
that is a good idea^^



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Krexxa (#22058)

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2018-02-24 13:30:24
I had no idea that the tree wiped lions of their mutations 0": I was planning on giving away muties via the tree after getting my dream muties myself to try and make someone's day. It's honestly pretty disappointing to hear this news, but I'm glad that I found this thread in time to inform myself before trashing my precious muties like that. This suggestion has my full support for obvious reasons.



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Eifiekat (G1 sunset
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Posted on
2018-03-03 15:55:35
Definitely supporting



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Ryuk (#17683)

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Posted on
2018-03-06 03:46:20
Read all of the posts, most had some good points but I support!



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