Posted by -ADDED TO THE GAME-Let the Giving Tree Keep Cub Mutations!

[△] Nadir (#108458)

Prophet
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2017-09-15 04:09:47
[ Support My Other Suggestions? ]

Making Sub Males More Useful
Alter Stat Change to Giving Tree Cubs
Change 'Dust' Eye Applicator Term to 'Fragments'
New Event Title Ideas!
More Leg + Tail Banding Colours
-------

✪ Summary:

This suggestion is intended to (hopefully) be implemented along side [ this one ] if it is approved.

Imagine taking your daily cub pull from The Giving Tree, only to find out that someone was generous enough to donate a Primal, a Dwarf, an Overgrown Fur, or some other mutation. Maybe you've had bad luck getting Muties. Maybe you've spent so much that you've given up hope of getting one. Maybe you're a newbie who doesn't even know much about Muties yet.

Whatever your reason, you'd probably be stoked, wouldn't you? Even if it wound up being a Mutie you didn't like, there's always a chance you could sell it.

You might say "Who would donate a Mutie?", but the fact of the matter is that there's some among us who would love to be so generous, and make someone's day better with a little surprise!
-------

✪ What I Am Proposing:

[+] Removing the function from The Giving Tree that wipes an abandoned cub's mutations, and allowing them to keep it.

[NOTE 1] It would likely be good to suggest that Lethal Mutations shouldn't be able to be put in the tree. Due to Lethal Mutations only living a few days at the most, and how many cubs are sometimes in the tree, this would essentially be dumping a Lethal Mutie in the trash can as it could very well die at rollover. There is also the issue of someone not having a Jellyfish on hand to make it immortal, nor having the GB to buy one, so getting one only to have it die would only lead to unnecessary heartbreak. For this reason, I feel it's best to leave Lethal Muties out of this.

[NOTE 2] I would suggest not having the Giving Tree give any indication of there being a Mutie in the tree, as this would ruin the surprise. That's what this suggestion is about. A pleasant surprise!

**IMPORTANT FOR ADMIN TEAM CONSIDERATION!**
[NOTE 3] Along side another couple of suggestions, I was hoping it could be considered to modify how The Giving Tree handles stats of abandoned cubs. You can find the suggestion [ here ].

Really that's it! I think this would be amazing to implement, and add some brand new excitement to The Giving Tree. ♥

If you don't support, I'd like to know why. I appreciate constructive criticism over a simple "no".

-:[ IMPORTANT ]:-

Please consider going to [ THIS PAGE ] and reading the comments posted by the five or so individuals prior to my post here. They are mutie breeders themselves who raise a lot of points and address concerns.

I would appreciate if NEW counter-points were posited that offer actual evidence and/or data to back up that this would make muties less valuable. So far, nobody has been able to provide concrete evidence of this or an in depth explanation that doesn't just revolve around the exact same thing being said.


The facts thus far:

> Putting muties in The Giving Tree is still optional.
> Those who want to sell muties will still sell them.
> Those who wish to give away muties for free will still do so.
> This would do would eliminate the middle-man, and not require users to post on the forums or in sales chat if they want to give away a mutie. It would actually be beneficial for users who are busy and don't have the time or patience to check threads or set up trades.
> It will make the process of obtaining said mutie entirely random, and actually increase the chance that muties wind up in the hands of someone who has none, which can be beneficial to the site in encouraging a user to stay if they get something special.
> As proven with the ability to put rare and valuable items in the tree, it has been widely demonstrated for a very long time that nobody is willing to donate enough - if any - of a valuable item (Buffalo Balls, Lion Balls, GMO Cow, Lion Meat, Mutie on Demands, etc.) for it to negatively impact the market. The same would be true for valuable mutations.
> Even 'potato' mutations such as leopons and dwarves are still extremely valuable for breeding, given the ease with which one can pass the Stud's markings compared to female markings with the current system.
> In order to negatively impact the market, a significant amount of the same type of mutie would need to be thrown into the Tree. Throwing a mutie into the Tree would likely be a special event in which the user donating it announces such, similar to how users currently donate Mottled Rosette cubs, which likewise does not damage the Mottled Rosette market.

I am all for discussing things in and out in a civilized manner, but every time I try to follow up on people stating this to get more input, I'm met with silence, and it's a little silly at this point.



This suggestion has 1134 supports and 63 NO supports.



Hrt Icon 3 players like this post! Like?

Edited on 14/05/18 @ 15:05:36 by -:[ ᴠɪɴᴄᴇɴᴛ ]:- (#108458)

Erin 💖 (#123850)

Angelic
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2018-03-08 07:38:12
I'm sort of half and half to this. I'm indifferent.
Maybe it could only not wipe AMP mutations? So you can get AMPS? And leave rarer muties out of it. I'm a big AMP fan so I would love to get some from the tree. And it seems a waste that AMPs are slated.



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?

Ryuk (#17683)

Lone Wanderer
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2018-03-09 08:46:32
But who would be throwing high muties into the tree? It’s just like now, no one is going to throw a mottled rosette cub at the tree, so no one would through a dwarf or leopon at the tree. The tree is for cubs you don’t want, as a primal/amp breeder myself, I don’t want to sit and wait for someone to buy my overgrown claws or my plain primal cub until they eventually are just chased off anyways. I don’t understand how people seem to be assuming rare and lethal Cubs will be thrown to the tree, because they WONT.

I fully support this idea and I really hope it gets implemented into the game. I’d love to know my failed mutie projects won’t just end in wasted “common” muties because I’m too lazy to sell them all.



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?

[△] Nadir (#108458)

Prophet
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2018-03-09 09:32:09
@Fox (#17683) :: Exactly, this is largely meant to be a convenience. Currently, the only things you CAN'T put in the tree is event currency and mutations. Which means, you know, anyone COULD throw all kinds of lion balls and buffalo balls in the tree and devalue them, but as we've seen, they DON'T. No different with mutations. Who's gunna toss a dwarf out?? Unless it's by accident really. But if someone wants to? More power to them, and one person is gunna get really lucky. It won't touch the market.



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?

Ryuk (#17683)

Lone Wanderer
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2018-03-09 10:14:50
I really hope this becomes a thing! This could make cubs go out of the tree instead of 300 sitting there just waiting



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?

[△] Nadir (#108458)

Prophet
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2018-03-09 10:36:48
@Fox (#17683) :: That's another hope of mine. That people will actually be tempted to take a cub from the tree again. Perhaps even those poor males too. ; _;



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?

Catalysta (#61949)

Usual
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2018-03-09 13:27:49
Not sure... I see the reason behind mutations being wiped from cubs given to the giving tree. The point of that is probably along the same lines with what people are concerned about; mutations becoming less valuable. That, and just having a chance to get them free like that takes away the appeal of how uncommon mutations are supposed to be.

You say there won't be many mutations put into the tree, but I actually think you're highly underestimating the amount of "potato" muties or common muties that people just aren't interested in keeping. That, and player generosity. There are already mutie giveaways, anyway, so the argument that muties need to be more available is kinda futile - and for more reasons than the fact they're already pretty available. Especially for new members, which is usually who the giveaways are geared towards.

Personally, if I bred a mutie and didn't like it I'd either want to sell it, give it to someone I know is active and NOT a new member (because most new members are usually on and off - or lose interest - and it'd just irk me to see the mutie just frozen in time because they're not logging in, and with no way of getting it back, well. It's rare so it'd be a shame for that to happen.) or if I gave it to the Tree I would do so with the knowledge that it would become a normal cub and honestly, that's what I would prefer rather than just giving someone something that I probably spent a lot of currency to try for (and for whatever reason, wasn't happy with it).

The mutie market would definitely crash, imo, and the reason muties can be valuable is because usually players put a LOT of oftentimes multiple currencies into purposefully breeding for a mutation. So if people just gave their unwanted muties to the giving tree, and the market crashed, there'd be little to no compensation for those that want it for all the time and currency put into getting something that turned out not to be what they wanted. Unless getting mutations became easier itself, which would be a totally different battle, I don't support this idea.



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?


Edited on 09/03/18 @ 13:36:01 by Fables (#61949)

[△] Nadir (#108458)

Prophet
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2018-03-09 15:25:30
Lemme just kind of bullet point this stuff because nobody really seems to be reading any of what I write.

> The part that y'all are literally ignoring is that this process is exactly the same as doing a give away or raffle with junk. The only difference is it removes the middle man (creating a thread or raffle). This is meant largely for convenience.

> Newbies check the tree a lot, so can still get one.

> If you give a mutie to someone by hand, they still might become inactive and it will still sit in their inventory. When a lion is no longer yours, it's really not in your hands what happens to it.

> Potato mutie or not, nobody's gunna chuck a rare and very valuable mutie in the tree. If they do, it will be THE RAREST OF RARES. Like NOBODY puts mottled rosettes in the tree. People would rather get money. People will still sell shit if they want to. Nobody's hand is being forced, it's STILL free will, and if a person wants to just give away a rare mutie for free? They're GOING TO, tree or not. This just makes the process FASTER and LESS TIME CONSUMING. Going through giving away lions right now myself just to remind myself how agonizingly slow it is.

> As proven with valuable items such as LION BALLS, BUFFALO BALLS, LION MEAT, MUTIE ON DEMANDS and RARE APPLICATORS, the chance of something VERY VALUABLE being put in the tree is EXCEPTIONALLY LOW and I've seen people do it ONCE and the market was untouched.

All of these points have been addressed time and time again. Show me someone throwing a valuable item in the tree every other day and damaging the market and I will be more inclined to understand your point, but the fact is that the desire to have money almost ALWAYS wins out over chucking valuable stuff in the tree, REGARDLESS of what it is.



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?

Catalysta (#61949)

Usual
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2018-03-09 18:46:30
Actually, I am hearing you, and I read your post fully. I even skimmed through the pages and all your replies to other's criticisms. Which is why I explained why their criticisms are valid, and not just people being greedy about the value of mutations. I don't think you're hearing me, tbh. If no one is going to chuck mutes into the tree, then why do they already? Plus, why then make this change if it's hardly going to be utilized?

I don't really feel like repeating myself, but here goes: you're highly underestimating the generosity of lioden players and the sheer amount of mutations being given away already in giveaways/raffles/or to newbies - or that are practically being given away because of how low some people have to go to make them sell. (And if you really want that mutie, it's worth the wait.) Plus, common muties are already at an all-time low for value, so you'd be destroying their value even more. But I'm sure you'll continue to assume this change won't impact it at all, so I digress.

Yeah, sure, it's out of my hands once it's out of my hands, but I'd still rather be able to choose who gets my muties myself, rather than some random who may not even know what they're doing with them or appreciate them as much as someone more seasoned and ready to breed muties. This is why I LIKE the fact that if I'm truly unhappy with a mutation, and it won't sell because the market for them can already be utter crap at times, if I put it in the tree the mutation will be wiped clean from them and it will just be a normal cub that someone gets to have. The giveaway tree is already a great place for new people to get often pretty great lions for FREE. BTW, I have heard of people finding rosettes in the giveaway tree. I think there was actually someone in the chat at one time who said they got a mottled rosette from the tree. Not surprising, since leopons and mottleds are all over the place. Or special markings. I myself have found some great cubs in there, that are worth something if not in monetary value, then in breeding value.



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?


Edited on 09/03/18 @ 18:49:24 by Fables (#61949)

Catalysta (#61949)

Usual
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2018-03-09 18:53:27
Items are one thing, mutations are another. Item value is so conflicting. It can and does fluctuate. Last month, people were selling dove feasts for 500SB each just to get rid of them and stack up currency fast, now this month they're selling for 1000SB each pretty much at a constant. Mutation value tends to be around the same all the time, depending on the mutation + factoring in markings/bases/stats, and depending on the user's generosity or willingness to trade for items.



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?


Edited on 09/03/18 @ 20:25:31 by Fables (#61949)

[△] Nadir (#108458)

Prophet
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2018-03-10 06:58:51
We'll just agree to disagree then. If you don't believe me, that's fine.



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?

Catalysta (#61949)

Usual
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2018-03-10 14:41:08
How are you going to ask for evidence and stats about a lion game when it comes to constructive criticism, but you aren't providing me with any to back your claims about it not impacting the mut market. If you're not open to discussion, just say so. I personally like the fact that one way to wipe a cub clean of mutations is by putting it in the tree.



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?

cin☆vo h2hoe (#106573)

Sapphic
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2018-03-10 16:39:56
Haha I think it would be hard to provide evidence and stats when it's something as hard to keep track of as the tree! Especially a hypothetical situation :) there has been plenty of discussion I think, but at a certain point if two people disagree on something fundamental it's not really worth it to continue lol

Personally I think this suggestion would work ^^ I think the majority of mutations being dropped at the tree would be primals which aren't really worth much. I've personally had primals up for 1-2gb and have them not sell for a month. I'd much rather have the option of very very easily giving them to someone else! Mainly because it can be time consuming to give things away without the giving tree.



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?

Mire | G1 Subtle
Supernal 3R (#51844)

Divine
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2018-03-10 16:58:11
I really like this suggestion!
Since most common mutations are Primal, or maybe Folded Ears, statistically those should be the most donated. Since the average Primal/Folded cub is around 1 GB - 3 GB, I don't see this impacting the market much at all. Plus, most donated cubs are those who were going to be killed anyway. It's better to let someone (even a random person) love and cherish their mutated pixel cub instead of having it killed.

Also, sometimes people have a hard time selling their mutated cubs. This feature would make it easier to finally get rid of it, and to put in into hands that will (most likely), keep it.



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?

Pain and Suffering (#93497)


View Forum Posts


Posted on
2018-03-26 17:00:40
I support. I often get mutations i dont want, lots of primals/pies too and giveaways are forbidden in main chat (where people at least talk, not spam), asking in sales is a dumb thing to do in general and i cba running adoption threads... so i end up selling them for like 50sb and it gets grabbed by an older player immediately to get sold for more or something.
That would be a nice way to gift people stuff with just one click and 3 seconds of your life.



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?


Edited on 26/03/18 @ 17:02:38 by Anthrax (#93497)

Black Rhinoceros (#68593)

Divine
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2018-05-04 23:28:34
I want this so bad. I breed A LOT of muties and I can't always get rid of them fast enough to make room for more.



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?







Memory Used: 659.30 KB - Queries: 0 - Query Time: 0.00000 - Total Time: 0.00460s