Posted by Alter Stat Change to Giving Tree Cubs

[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2017-11-07 02:55:14
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✪ Summary:

This suggestion is intended to be (hopefully) implemented along side [ this one ] if it is approved.

So we all know that The Giving Tree wipes stats from cubs that are donated.

"But Nadir, not everyone breeds for stats!"

This is entirely true. However, The Giving Tree overlooks one very important issue with the stat wipe: You have an extremely limited window to get the required training in during the 5 month to 11 month period of their life.

It's no secret that when training a cub, the stats gained as an adolescent are paltry when compared to those gained through solid, successful Cub Training. For those looking to give their cubs a boost on maturing, Cub Training is necessary, as even with full training as an adolescent, the stat gain is barely anything. So the problem that arises is that cubs in The Giving Tree sometimes only have 1 or 2 days left to do Cub Training. For those hoping for a solid marked cub, while still attempting to maintain stats, breeding into such a lineage can be crippling, and the rarity of the marks doesn't soften the blow much.

To this end, using the tree to any extent winds up entirely worthless for these sorts of players. Why grab a cub if you can't even give it the training it needs to be on par with your other lions?
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✪ What I Am Proposing:

[+] Boosting the stat drop randomization.

Currently, the tree appears to randomly generate stats in the 30 to 40 stat range. I agree with Sólsetur's opinion that the most logical course of action is to simply boost this range. To help ensure that this feature is not cheated and gamed, I propose the following:

> Any cub or adol abandoned at the tree with OVER 400 STATS will be subject to a randomized new stat between 200 and 400. Basically, a tweak of the current stat randomizer applied to these lions.

> Any cub with UNDER 400 STATS will not have its stats touched. This is to ensure that players cannot drop a cub at the tree and pick it up to gain quick and easy stat boosts on a cub to game the system.

It is far easier to produce HIGH STAT CUBS in large numbers than it is something like mutations, since having high stat parents guarantees high stat cubs. This is important because while stats are virtually useless, they are a selling point for studs regardless, as the community itself has deemed them desirable. So while I support higher stat cubs being able to be dropped at the tree, I neither would like to see the efforts of stat breeders infringed upon, nor their donations entirely stripped of worth. I feel as if this is a good middle ground to expand upon.

If you don't support, I'd like to know why. I appreciate constructive criticism over a simple "no".



This suggestion has 1104 supports and 29 NO supports.



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Edited on 13/06/23 @ 09:01:58 by [△] Nadir (#108458)

Sanu Incense Torn (#95758)

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Posted on
2018-12-12 20:48:36
I say yes simply because I tend to use tree cubs as a way to 'freshen' my line, I'm still getting the hang of making money on the game, I'm used to heavy grinding sim games, so I rarely have enough to even have a decent breeder, most of my ladies barely hit 600 by 12, having a decent tree would be very nice as I love to drop my excess special bases off for those who wants them since I have the case of base clones, my girls breed special bases often but normally they are the same ones over and over again.

I would also like to point out keeping any training that might have been given to the cub prior to tree drop, if anything else.



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EntityofSilo | G4 (#107570)

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2019-12-17 07:47:55
I usually breed cubs with between 700-900 stats and have to chase most or all of them off because they don't look good enough to be treed due to the stat wipe. Support!



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KalikaRoo31 (#89224)


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2019-12-18 22:31:27
I'm not supporting this only because I believe that sending a cub to the tree should wipe it clean like an NCL stats heritage (people voted for mutations to stay) everything



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2019-12-19 04:00:40
KalikaRoo31 (#89224) :: There's a large discrepency between 110 - 160 stats in chased girls and the 20 - 30 we get in cubs from the tree. That's what this is about.



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KalikaRoo31 (#89224)


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Posted on
2019-12-19 05:46:17
I am aware of that but that is just my opinion



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2019-12-19 08:59:18
KalikaRoo31 (#89224) :: Cool beans. Just making sure and checking if the door was open for discussions as I do.



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Moose of Nature (#110955)

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2020-05-26 11:47:00
I know this thread is older, but i still think something like this would be cool.
Whats sad is there is someone in an outside group on FB for LD that has a den set up just for this reason; They take adols and cubs in that are over 400 stats and if anyone is interested, will write down their IDs and once a week will mass send a random adol/cub to people, just so the lions dont lose stats.



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2020-11-07 18:49:31
It's never too late to support a suggestion you like. And honestly, it's really nice of them to do that, and proof people do care about them. Thank you for letting me know.



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Lia (BLM) (#190815)

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2022-03-04 14:20:43
I've gotten exactly ONE decently statted cub from the Giving Tree. ONE. It's getting better, but not by much.



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