Posted by -LOCKED - -ADDED TO THE GAME-[All/Apr] No Donations.

Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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Posted on
2018-04-03 14:52:27

HadToRemakeThisThread.SorryGuys

Okay. So. Donations. They need to go. They just cause user discourse and a lot of people do not like them. This issue currently only applies to April, but "We are starting with lower numbers to introduce the feature but will gradually increase over later months while you guys get used to it." from the news post suggests donation tiers will be added to other events.It also suggests that whatever price is asked now, next time it will be more. This is a no-no.

This solution focuses only on April, but can be applied anywhere they might want to add a donation spot. The solution will work as follows:

1. Change the donated bar to a gathered bar
2. Make it so you pay a once per event fee to use the features unlocked in the bar (Example: 75 Eggs to age or deage your male).
3. There is no more user discourse since to get the currency to spend you have to gather.

Some people are fine with the personal goals, but want the sitewide goal to be gone. That is the same as buying the feature. Just stop calling it donations. Remove the sitewide goal (/change it to a gather goal), call it a purchase, and that's all.

So;
- Remove Aprils donation function as explained above
- Don't add donation functions to other events if that was indeed planned.
---> *Some noted that it may not be "donations" added to other events but still personal bars. No. Don't add personal bars either. This feature needs a 100% scrap.



Please don't come up in here if you're just going to call casual players lazy.~


Suggestion for Date-Opened Tiers + Solutions to replace what the tiers supposedly do: [Finny]




This suggestion has 315 supports and 33 NO supports.



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Bezthiel πŸ‰ (#81210)

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Posted on
2018-04-16 08:06:17
Neither food nor rawhide are used as event currency. The currencies for those events are Leather Beetles and Scarab Beetles; giving those away is not needed for the events to progress. So yes, I am saying that statement is wrong.

Everyone on this thread, with perhaps the exception of you, is worried about it being currency. If it was a donation of Lucky Feet, or rabbit corpses, we wouldn't be having this conversation at all; it's no issue with the item donation tiers in any other event. But it's not. It's eggs.

"2 Again you seem to be off point on something, if you are the only person to donate 150 eggs, then yeah you won't get it,"

No, that is the point. The entirety of the point is that "if you are the only person to donate 150 eggs, then yeah you won't get it," which is the problem we actually wanted solved when the personal donations were implemented. It's not solved.



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Sinful (#108190)

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Posted on
2018-04-16 08:18:54
OKay again,

1. Change the donated bar to a gathered bar
2. Make it so you pay a once per event fee to use the features unlocked in the bar

These are the points, and I answered just those points.

Nothing to do with currency or making others donate, you have a personal donation, or fee as you will, that you pay once, not to mention you have to donate to fill the bar, as you do for the other events. Are you just not reading the fact that I am just replying to those or are you attempting to make this something that you can argue on?

Do you not 'donate' to open the food pit? are you not 'donating' to open the egg den? do you not 'donate' to do the rituals in june? I am not seeing how changing the bar from donate to gather would change anything, when after all, you are donating. Which by donating you are paying a 1 time fee so you can use the shop when it opens.

If it isn't open you can not use it, so yeah, you need to pay the fee and wait for others to do the same. Without paying the fee the one time, you can not use it. After you pay the fee you can use it if it is open to your hearts content. No more paying the fee to open it again, as you already have it, think of it as a 1 time payment to get the egg den for the month if you will.



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Bezthiel πŸ‰ (#81210)

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Posted on
2018-04-16 08:22:32
"I am not seeing how changing the bar from donate to gather would change anything"

Okay, right now, I have not donated a single egg. I will not do that. I have done so in years past and the features are not worth that amount of currency to me. I do not assist anyone in opening the egg den for their use.

I have, however gathered more than 300 eggs. If the bar were gathered and not donated, I would currently be assisting in opening the egg den for the use of anyone that pays for it.



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Sinful (#108190)

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Posted on
2018-04-16 08:28:58
That is just your play style, it is all up to you whether you donate or you don't, you can either be helpful or a hindrance, it is completely up to you, no one else is going to force you to play the game any other way, you do it how you want. If you don't want to donate so the tiers open faster, that is on you. The egg den has always been donations though, like last year when we didn't get enough until the last week of april, no reason to be bothered now about something that has always been in the game.

All that is added now is a fee for those that do not donate, like yourself, and expect to use the spring. If you don't want to donate a few eggs, that's up to you. I think that if we had a personal donation bar during january, that tier 3 of the food pit would of been open midway instead of in the last few days.



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Bezthiel πŸ‰ (#81210)

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Posted on
2018-04-16 08:34:25
Alright. As long as you understand there is a difference between donations and gathering, your opinion is your own. I just didn't want to think you were getting those confused, since the difference between 0 and 300 is pretty staggering!



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Sinful (#108190)

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Posted on
2018-04-16 08:38:19
I know the difference, but changing it to an eggs gathered bar when it's always been a donated bar is where it doesn't make sense. Unless you change all of them to a gathered bar. If you and others don't donate, then that's on you, but changing the bar is silly. There is not difference in whether it is eggs gathered or eggs donated, it all comes down to the players play-through. You donate eggs, food, toys, skulls, everything, why make it anything other than what it is, due to the fact that we already have a gathered bar.



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Bezthiel πŸ‰ (#81210)

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Posted on
2018-04-16 08:39:38
Well, there was never a personal goal until just this month either, and LD's been around how many years (I honestly have no idea, so please tell me)? Things can change.



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Sinful (#108190)

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Posted on
2018-04-16 08:44:12
It is more to stop those that don't donate from getting the benefits, a way of saying "you have to spend a certain amount to use this" type of thing, mostly because in the past few years it is clear that people won't donate to the community areas but expect to use it.

I also want to say, 2012 was when lioden started, but I am not 100% sure, but it does sound about right.



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Bezthiel πŸ‰ (#81210)

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Posted on
2018-04-16 08:47:51
As a person who doesn't want the benefits anyway, changing donated to gathered and adding a payment for the features (you can't take these separately, clearly they want the egg den to be an egg sink and I'm okay with that) would have only a positive effect.

I would be contributing to the bar for people who do want to use the egg den, instead of currently not at all. But I still wouldn't be able to use it unless I gave up 150 eggs, which I still would not do.



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Cas (#67347)

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Posted on
2018-04-17 15:24:46
Please, for the love of god.



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Edited on 17/04/18 @ 15:52:25 by Cas (#67347)

Rubystar (#63529)

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Posted on
2018-04-17 15:31:04
I had taken a Lioden Hiatus for like 4 months of moving and getting internet... I came back for this even and saw the New Personal Teir. I lost interest. I liked the working together as a community to unlock the teirs like we always had and I just spent all my currency I had saved from last year and still haven't Opened teir one. I support just because when I did play Daily I saw the work that went into the original system for events and overall this new idea of donating currency is what seems off to me.



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Edited on 17/04/18 @ 15:34:14 by Rubystar (#63529)

null (#56571)

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Posted on
2018-04-17 15:34:18
The worst part is if you're not familiar with the tiers, you don't know what you're unlocking.

Que me forgetting that the second one was NCLs and got mad that I wasted a good chunk of EE.



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EntityofSilo | G4 (#107570)

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2018-04-17 17:55:52
I don't even remember the tiers... first one is ostriches but I don't remember the second and third. (You reminded me now that it's NCLs so that means the third is the Spring but this is my second April event so I haven't had time to memorize anything about the events.)



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Myriad (#76)


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Posted on
2018-04-18 07:30:58
OT, but regarding the confusion over tiers: wiki link.

For new players - or older players, since frankly most of us don’t remember everything from one year to the next - I really think it would help to have event wiki pages linked directly and prominently in the Event tab.

Though making donations into straightforward purchases as suggested would help with this too, because what you’re paying for could be clearly listed upfront as with all other shops.



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Desolace, Colorbomb (#36375)

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Posted on
2018-04-19 05:37:02
Honestly, just make a different currency for the bunny shop for people to earn to unlock it. Or tie it to a quest line.

Remove donating altogether.

Using currency to unlock a small one time thing like the aging feature is pretty harsh on players who are not able to farm explore every 2 hours. Or even afford energy boosts.

If they did that then those feeling like they donate all the time would not feel used and those not able to get loads of event currency could work toward a feature that would not eat up what little currency they are able to earn.



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