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Mouse (James,
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2019-02-05 18:53:03
Anyone with a mutie on a unique lineart (felis as well as future primal variations, pons and gons etc) knows the struggle of finding fitting decor. As we know, this is because decor is not made to fit mutations, only standard lions. Fair enough, it would take a lot of art to change that, and it works well enough with those which are closest to their default counterparts. But decor is made to fit posed lionesses - so why not let us pose mutated lionesses for the best fit?

Here's the idea - allow poses to be applied to any mutie. This would NOT change the lineart or appearance of the lion in any way. However, all decor put on the lion would now be changed from the default version to the files fitting the chosen pose. Those wings at your tigon's ankles? Throw a neutral pose on 'em and they'll jump right up to where they're meant to be! The smitten lioness cut in half by the default pose's version? She's a full lioness with the kind pose added! Even better, this means there is NO ART NEEDED to make this work, as it's simply changing which existing files appear on your lions! Here are some examples to clarify what I mean:

Before
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Looks like these ladies are having a few troubles there, and nothing fits at all. Rest in peace, 40% smitten lioness.
After [kind pose applied]
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This lady now had two whole girlfriends without extra appendages! And a fancy tail to boot. Is it perfect? Not quite, but it's a hell of a lot better.

Before
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This tigon will never take off with wings like that! Nothing is quite in place here.
After [neutral pose applied]
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Much better! Attached wings make happy tigons. Again, there are imperfections but it's a definite improvement.

Before
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Pons are much more difficult as they're not close to any pose, but this works for rearranging friends! As you can see here, we have floating and misaligned friends stepping on poor Ruki's toes. A pose can help here!
After [snarky pose applied]
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Consider these friends ordered! Now they can enjoy their family day out.

And you wouldn't have to change the pose to the one closest to your lion, either: want to move that plant over there? Add x pose to make it happen!
By no means would this fix decors not fitting muties, there would always be things which don't fit right and this is not intended to guarantee perfect fits, but the idea is to open more options for mutie breeders to decorate their lions as this is often very limited. This would give people more choices and help to make muties more customisable in terms of decor!

My lovely friend Moth (#97817) made the important comment that this already works with lethals - but rather than lioness poses, changing the cub pose changes their decor. This proves that it is doable, functional, and works.

Though it won't make that collar fit your shaggy lioness, it can help owners of felises, leopons, tigons, dwarves, and future muties which have unique linearts. As poses are female only at this moment in time, this does not apply to males who are not lab frogged, but should when male poses are released.

TL;DR: Poses given to muties should be allowed in order to change which version of existing decor appears without any file updates or extra art required.

Let me know what you think!!



This suggestion has 524 supports and 2 NO supports.



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Edited on 05/02/19 @ 19:48:55 by Mouse (Patches skyward) (#146549)

Mouse (James,
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2019-02-07 08:00:14
That's fair!! The same goes for cub poses on lethal though - I understand that this is less of an issue as lethals aren't quite common, but the same could be said of muties on unique linearts. By the time you owned one, chances are you would know enough about lioden to know that posing doesn't change unique linearts. And, in the case of not knowing, I'm sure that modbox could help with that.



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2019-02-07 08:04:10
Of course modbox could help, but I think it's better to make things easier from the start than to just unload the thing on the staff :'D

I know people use the "eye of" items to fit decors for lethal cubs and such too, so I'm not against the thing per se. But I really think that it'd be way better to create a separate item from the poses - one that does exactly the same, but has a different name and the appropiate warnings - that can only be used on non-posable mutated lions.



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Mouse (James,
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2019-02-07 08:20:43
That's fair!! I definitely wouldn't be against there being an individual item for it - either way, the idea still stands and using posed decors for muties should be an option. Would it be okay with you if I added your suggestion to my main post?



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2019-02-07 08:21:57
Of course! And please don't take it personally, I love the chance of adapting decors better for lions :'D



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Mouse (James,
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2019-02-07 08:32:04
Okay!! I'll do that when I'm home <33 and of course! You make a very valid point and I think your idea is great



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flyteck [G2 Hibiscus
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2019-02-07 15:38:44
Supported! Two things though.

Firstly, how would wardrobe be changed? As of now, mutation/pose is one tab - so you wouldn't be able to see what items would look like on your tigon in various poses, as it's the same menu. Either the menu would need to be split, or something else would need to change.

Secondly, if fear of confusion is an issue, why not just change the default pose for mutations in the code? So all decors display on female tigons in their neutral pose variants, for example. This would prevent the wardrobe issue, and also prevent users from being confused by pose application. The only issues I could see are users thinking that decors are meant to fit mutations, but it's not like we don't get that to begin with.



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2019-02-07 15:39:19
Fuck, I didn't think of those things !



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2019-02-07 15:44:47
i don't think the code should be changed, in my opinion you should be able to choose the 'pose', because some decors might fit on a felis with kind pose, but others might just cover it up in some way, and if you want those specific decors it doesn't work. So choosing the pose yourself would be better.



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flyteck [G2 Hibiscus
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2019-02-07 15:54:15
I agree it would be more accurate, but I think it could end up being confusing, and wardrobe would be an issue. Many of the mutation lines are quite similar to at least one pose.

So allowing poses to be added to mutations = more control, but less clarity and consistency
Simply changing what pose the lion is read as by the game = less control, but consistent and very simple to understand

Code is being changed regardless - it's either the code that doesn't let mutations (other than pie/patches) have poses added being changed, or it's the code that registers what decor images are applied to mutations being changed.



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2019-02-14 12:40:52
I just thought of another complication: What about all those mutation-specific/mutation-compatible Custom Decors? :0



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2019-02-14 16:39:52
I don't think those would change from the pose, though. They're drawn on top of the mutie lineart- they would stay the same no matter the pose. It wouldn't be an issue.



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2019-02-14 16:41:42
Oh, yeah, maybe. I'm no pro at the coding behind-the-scenes. ^^'



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