I'd be very much here for variations of the strips markings, much like it's been done for rosettes. The MS market hasn't really gone anywhere, because as you said in the original post the ginger is quite hard to fit into designs. Id love for there to be options to make triple striped lion designs in the future!

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I am aware that it states that in the first paragraph and that maltese tigers do not exist.
I am also aware of what Xylax has said.
Please read my second comment as it elaborates on what I said before.

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Unfortunately I just don’t agree with your addition, including the second post. Adding extra factors into breeding a variation seems incredibly more complicated on top of an already extremely rare hybrid when I intended for it to function essentially the same way as primal variations do now.

Thanks for your comment though!

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The melanistic tiger you added onto your post is not melanistic. That is a white tiger with psuedo-melanism which means that the stripes on the tiger are large and blotted, creating a pseudo-melanism look. Tigers are not melanistic. The image that you provided is quite literally marked as pseudo-melanistic on the black tiger wikipedia page.
You can find it here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_tiger

I'm not sure what exactly you're talking about when you state that the colors would come from the father? You're confusing me. Melanistic mother doesnt mean anything?

I think you're trying to put on too much... realism? to this. You said that since tigers don't exist in africa and that they all come from the easter egg of Xylax's little tiger being the sire that these colors would be impossible. We have primal lions. Saber tooth’s that are extinct- not even directly related to lions. I don't understand why you're applying this logic so intensely and heavily when the logic itself doesn't really have that much bearing. Maybe I'm misunderstanding?

I think all this suggestion was supposed to do was revamp hybrids, which are one of the most sought after niches on this website, so that they don't have to create hyena-lions to quench the thirst for hybrids and can instead make the current hybrids last longer while creating a nice market for hybrid breeding.

if you were big into hybrid breeding, like myself and a lot of my friends, you'd know that a lot of people base change their frist gens because they do not breed for gold. This is sad to me, and I think being able to trade my gold genetics first gen for a black genetics first gen would be nice and create some health in the market.
To go with the above point, if you were invested in the hybrid market you'd know that tigons are less valuable than leopons. This is because their exclusive marking, Mottled Stripes, only comes in orange and does not go well with the base genetics that are most popular on the site (black). Therefor, it doesn't compete with Mottled rosette and is essentially an undesirable marking for a lot of people. I, and a lot of my hybrid breeding friends, don't have tigons simply because they aren't worth it. The addition of different colored mottled stripes would allow for Tigons to become much more desirable for breeders in the long run!

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point but nothing you said makes any sense to me and what did make sense I disagree with and don't really understand your angle! I'm sorry

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I don't mean to speak for Rufus but I think they were inquiring about how the base is a valid addition to the mutation data on the hybrid's profile. I really like this suggestion but I don't think it makes sense to have these new bases as mutation/hybrid "variants". Instead, I think a 1st gen could roll for the new bases, with Kimanjano/Mandarin being more common and the new suggestions being a little rarer. So the mutation would still appear as "Leopon/Tigon (First Generation)" instead of having the alternative base information in there. Instead, they'd just have the different base instead of Kimanjano/Mandarin. I adore the new bases you designed and think it would be a wonderful addition to the hybrid market! Mottled stripes have so much potential and this would really help them out!

tldr; To clarify, I don't think these new bases should be treated the same as Primal variants. I think they should just be new bases/markings, with a low(er than Kimanjano/Mandarin) chance to appear on a first gen hybrid.

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What you just described is the suggestion! I think lex was just calling it a variation because it’s cute and categorizes the colors differently. I can see how it is confusing because of primal variations, but it sounds better than “recolor” or something to that effect.

“ Very simply, the same as every other first gen hybrid!
However, instead of it being a new type with new lineart; it's a new color!”

They never state it’s a new hybrid with new lines or anything, it isn’t a different mutation it’s just a new color when a first gen does roll.

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Honestly, I see nothing wrong with this idea, so you have my support! It'd make for a very nice addition, even if I am no longer in the hybrid breeding game. Haha

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Thank you hearteater :)

Yes, my suggestion is, again, literally just for recolors. I don’t care if the actual “first Gen: strawberry” text is there or not. All I care about is mottled stripes recolors, mottled rosette recolors, and new hybrid bases :)

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I was confused because Lex said in response to Rufus "I intended for it to function essentially the same way as primal variations do now." Which I don't think makes sense. I don't see the need for the base to be a variant in the mutation info (which has a mockup image in the main post). I really love the bases and markings and I support this suggestion, I just think it's worded a little strangely. I really hope they do this! The colors are gorgeous.

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Yes, what Lex said is correct. This is not acting like a second mutation. Primal has multiple variations thus the same mechanism would be used for leopons and tigons but with recolors of base and marks. There will not be any changes to line art everything is the same but the main base and marking colors that FG Pon and Gons have already. It’s not worded strange at all

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But the Primal variants sort of are separate mutations, right? That's why the passing rules are different for each one. I don't see how that mechanism would be applicable here. Now I'm even more confused . Shouldn't it just roll from the three bases (and their corresponding markings)?

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Support! This is probably one of the coolest suggestions I've seen, not only do the designs look really good, but it'll be super fun to try to get those variants!

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I should say similar too not the exact same mechanism my apologies! Primal variants still derive from the mane source which is the primal right? Additionally with help from items thats how some primal are attained. But with the Leopons and Tigons they (lex) want First Gens to act how it normally would with how they are generated by the game but the game will also have to decide if the First Gen pon or gon is going to be the original colors or if it’s going to be the new colors. I hope this makes a little more sense

(Also there are no items They are introducing to this concept. It’s all left to RNG)

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Thanks for clarifying Rainbow, that's exactly how I thought it should work too :) So the game picks one of the three bases (and corresponding marking), and bam, new colors for g1 hybrids. I want them to add this so bad

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