Posted by Why Does Clean Breeding Suddenly Matter? (BC Lions

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2023-03-15 08:52:04
Hello!! Genuine question here

Before I went on hiatus from Lioden, clean breeding definitely did exist. But... coming back to the game, it feels so bizarre- it feels like lions can hardly sell if they're *not* clean??? It's way more extreme than it used to be. For a gameplay mechanic that doesn't affect anything, I don't understand why?

To clarify, I used to care about the lore of my lions A LOT. And for that reason, I wouldn't inbreed them within my own pride. Not a choice that matters whatsoever to gameplay, it just avoided me having to explain that in my lore. But I'm seeing lions classified as "dirty" even if you have to go back a few generations just to get the "There's ___ possible instances of inbreeding" mention in their heritage. How does that matter to lore, they're so far removed that your lions wouldn't know of them?? You can just pretend it's not there, basically

Again I hope this doesn't come across as rude... just confused. Very confused.

(And a tad frustrated, because I'm a beauty breeder 100%. But it's difficult to get lions for my breeding projects, because if they're clean-lined, they're usually pretty plain. If they're dirty, I know it'll be a pain to sell their cubs for seemingly no reason. If they're clean-lined AND pretty, they're too expensive to just buy as a breeder. I feel like this problem would be just as bad for stats breeders, but I'm not too familiar with that area)

So yeah, just asking the community... why is there suddenly such a huge emphasis on a gameplay mechanic that has existed as long as breeding itself has, has no effect on the game, and is *still* considered just as bothersome if you have to go back a few generations just to see it?

((I do understand a level of discomfort if the "there's __ possible instances of inbreeding" like, right on your lion's page, but after a few generations I see no reason why the dirty line couldn't be considered "bred out" and no longer a concern))
((I mean. I'm sure humans are pretty inbred if you go back far enough. Like, every single person with blue eyes has a common ancestor. But most of us aren't considered inbred because as far back in our family history as is relevant to us, we don't see it. Hope the comparison makes sense to illustrate my point of dirty breeding being 'bred out' and shouldn't matter if we can't immediately see it))


Edit: I guess my proposal here, if we're trying to solve a problem, is a "bred-out clean" (or whatever you'd call it) community where we consider lions clean if there's no inbreeding immediately on their page. Yk. Get a lil movement going. Or at least sell to each other prices we agree are fair for what we'd consider clean.
Maybe if we see the tag "BOC" or "BC" (for bred-clean) that means it's clean-enough for those who agree?

Edit: Clan making in progress!!
Lions with the FIRST PAGE of their heritage completely clean, but may not be clean further down the line, will be tagged as BC, meaning bred-out clean, or bred-to-clean, or simply bred-clean. Idk exactly the long form, but either way, acronym is BC. So feel free to look for BC on the Trading Center as a tag.

This will be beneficial to breeding projects (won't make things Too easy, you can't inbred within the same page over and over until you get like, identical lions, nono. But still keeps a fair amount of challenge without needing to find a lioness that's completely clean and probably therefore plain or too expensive), the market (there's way too hard of a divide between dirty and clean right now), and those who value clean-breeding for a sense of "look what I did, with my own line!" can still keep the clean tag for themselves.

Real-life source: "For practical purposes, if two mated individuals have no common ancestor within the last five or six generations, their progeny would be considered outbreds." this is about the length of the first page of heritage in Lioden, so it adds up!!



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Edited on 15/03/23 @ 09:26:45 by AimPyre (#98461)

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2023-03-15 08:56:25
Edit above! ^



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Edited on 15/03/23 @ 08:58:15 by AimPyre (#98461)

Thalath {Side} (#43831)

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2023-03-15 09:00:11
Constant inbreeding with no penalty made some projects in the game trivial for a lot of people so a ton of players (including myself) shifted toward non-inbred lions, for permanent ones at least.

Though I feel like most (again including myself) will inbreed/dirty breed for a king and then replace it with a clean or heritageless stat replacer.

I personally don't mind inbreeding past the first page, but I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority.



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Edited on 15/03/23 @ 09:01:04 by Thalath {Side} (#43831)

MxGanyu[He/It/They]
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2023-03-15 09:00:33
I'm also confused! Now all of a sudden, even if there are no direct inbreeding results, there's the "big four" that count as inbred? What's up with that?!



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Attic of The Sky (#12149)


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2023-03-15 09:01:14
I can't speak for everyone, but for me and my clean stat project it's more of a "I did this! Lookith at what I have achieved!" It's more of a challenge for me, how many stats can I get with my own lions starting from scratch kind of thing.



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2023-03-15 09:01:56
@MxGanyu
Right??? My lion's heritage will look so clean, then I'll suddenly see the name "Moby Dick" and I'll know it's all over anyways



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2023-03-15 09:02:28
It's a challenge and since clean lions sell better it's profitable



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Thalath {Side} (#43831)

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2023-03-15 09:02:31
Yeah, as far as the "big 4" thing go, that's probably more of a personal challenge/preference thing, like Attic said. I won't breed to any of the new big stat studs either and have preferred to build up my own.

I don't know why clean breeders would care about it outside of a stat challenge.



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Edited on 15/03/23 @ 09:03:15 by Thalath {Side} (#43831)

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2023-03-15 09:04:13
@Thalath
Ohhh it made projects too easy, you mean? I could understand that for first-page inbreeding. Past first page though I don't think it'd be considered easy anymore x3 Mhm mhm agree with past-first page thing

@Attic
Ahhh that makes sense. There's def something to be said about differentiating "completely clean" and "bred-out clean" for that reason I think!



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Sereia -πŸ‘‘πŸŒŒ (#229178)

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2023-03-15 09:04:53
to be fair clean and dirty is just a player made thing, because of the big 4 but in reality it really doesn't effect anything in the game, its just a preference



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2023-03-15 09:05:23
I personally breed clean, but I can definitely see why a community of out bred breeders would be beneficial, both for the market and for newbies. I like to keep my lion heritage short, and I get pretty lions from chased ncls in explore.



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2023-03-15 09:05:49
@Santoya
Mhm mhm!! I hope the player base could differentiate "completely clean" and "bred-out clean" in the same way then, just as we differentiated clean and dirty way back when before the game itself even kept track



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2023-03-15 09:06:26
@Violet
Makes sense!! Ty for community support, def thinking of putting a clan together if there's interest



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Thalath {Side} (#43831)

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2023-03-15 09:06:56
Yeah, I think the concept of having their own fresh lines is also appealing for people as well. I don't have that big of an issue with long heritage, but it is cool to have your own, specifically bred line of lions.



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Sereia -πŸ‘‘πŸŒŒ (#229178)

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2023-03-15 09:07:24
yeah, and honestly it sucks because people will literally block and harass players if a lion isn't clean, or will reject a perfectly good lion just because its dirty, it was really hard for me to sell my hybrids in feb because all everyone wanted was a clean one



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2023-03-15 09:08:58
@Santoya
Wait, seriously?? Oh my god I haven't even seen it that bad yet. I've only been back for a few days.
Though I can confirm, trying to sell my first gen leopon right now, and there are. Slim pickings for people wanting to buy. She's also bred-out clean


,, is bred-out clean a good term for this? Feel free to suggest lmfao
EDIT: Think I'll go with "bred-clean" that feels more,, to the point x3



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Edited on 15/03/23 @ 09:11:34 by AimPyre (#98461)







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