Posted by Make Raffle Lioness Tickets 1 GB Each.

C.J. (#102610)

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2023-07-30 22:19:45
Now, I know a lot of you probably gawked at the title, but hear me out!

The RL raffle ticket prices should be raised to one GB.

1. The current 50 SB price feels more like an annoyance, rather than an actual fee. It might as well be a free ticket with it being so low.

2. It prevents a lot of new players from entering the raffle. At first, this might sound like a bad thing, but really it isn't. A lot of new players do not understand the value of raffle lionesses (As we saw lately with the Soul RL) and may be yelled at or bullied for changing their lioness. Not to mention, it can really stress out a new player to be bombarded with people asking to buy their lion.

3. It gives older players a chance to win. There are several people who joined in 2014-2016 who have never won an RL, despite how many times they've entered into the raffle. Now, I'm not saying that they deserve it just for joining earlier than others, but it would feel more fair to give them a better chance at winning. Older players tend to have more currency than newer players & especially with the recent boom in players, there should be more of a chance for older players to still win.

4. It balances out the economy. The game has only 1 real GB sink - The oasis. This poses a problem bc as players purchase more GB without a place for it to go, the value of GB significantly drops. The oasis essentially stops the circulation of some GB, but it's still not enough. By making there be a weekly 1 GB fee to enter into the Lioness Raffle, it creates another GB sink & raises the value of it. This is especially helpful now with the way that piebald and primal prices have plummeted, if GB goes up, the value of those lions does too.

5. It's good for the company. There will be people who constantly buy GB to enter into the raffle. This would be another way to fund the game, and compared to how much people pay to purchase RLs, their heats, or their clones, it's an extremely small price to pay.

6. It's good for those who enter. Less of the site will be able to afford purchasing a ticket, meaning that there will be a significantly higher chance to win when you do enter. Not to mention, those who are less well off will be more selective on which raffles they enter, meaning that there will be even less competition. Not to mention that if a player were to win an RL, those can easily go for 1k GB each. Meaning, you'll be reimbursed for that 1 GB about a thousand times. Not such a steep price, huh?

7. GB isn't that hard to get. Food can be accumulated through explore or hunting & even selling it to monkey business can get you a lot of SB to turn into GB quick! The game would be further rewarding players who play the game the way it was intended by offering a special raffle that they could enter. New players who are dedicated to it could still make 1 GB by the end of the week.

If you have any suggestions let me know, and if you disagree i'd love to hear your thoughts! Of course, shares and upvotes are always appreciated, tysm for reading!



This suggestion has 61 supports and 200 NO supports.



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EinarWC (5.20.22
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Posted on
2023-07-31 13:00:38
I think locking the lion is a bit unfair since people should have the choice to do whatever they want with their Raffle Lioness.
Though, maybe locking new marks in rare slots would be fine! I just think this is too complex for LD’s coding at this point and time.

The note/informational idea would be perfect to have not only on the raffle page but in the DMs of the winner. They should be supplied more support.

theres a RL stud thread as well as a harem RL thread (5 lions a week can only enter on one per account but they’re still unique to an extent) which would fix the marking issues Corrupted!! But the stud one is rather old :( it would be impossible to code since august has special studs.



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Corruptedhyena (#243378)


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2023-07-31 13:04:25
That is a fair point! I do think that making it so they arent killable/chasable is a decent idea tho.

I think most players just simply dont know. And unfortunately, if they win the RL they likely dont see the value, especially since sometimes they look quite boring. And since the RL is so rare, I can only imagine the backlash they get. I would also vote for in the instructional message to suggest turning off pms from others at least for the first couple of days.

I actually really like that idea! But unfortuantely I think it was already rejected to have more than one no? I dont quite remember but I couldve sworn there was a thread on that as well.




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EinarWC (5.20.22
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Posted on
2023-07-31 14:00:24
Yes definitely make it impossible to kill them or anything.

And really?? I barely keep up with threads at this point ☹️ that sucks tho. Especially with how much the websites been growing



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2023-07-31 14:03:28
Yeah, either it was rejected or a lot of people were against it. The thread might still be up honestly, but i do strongly think more raffle lionesses would greatly improve the website



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Mad Hyena (#29080)

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Posted on
2023-07-31 14:21:03
No support, absolutely.

The token price of 50 SB is fair because of how low the chance is to win the raffle lioness. When you only get a maximum of 1 ticket among a pool of 5000+, the chance to win is extremely small, and so should be the price.
If the price to enter was any higher - especially much higher, 1 GB is at least 20 times more than 50 SB - then so should be the chances of winning OR it simply isnt worth it to pay so much. Too risky. So in order to be "worth" entering for 1 GB into, the raffle must end with 20 times less participants - 5000/20 is 250 participants, at most, to have the same chance, invested-money-wise, to yeild a prize. I am absolutely certain there will be MUCH more participants even if entry ticked costed 1 GB, so such pricey entry ticket would simply not be worth throwing into the pool.
Raffle Lioness would then become a GB pool for gambling rich players who can afford to throw away GB after GB every week. 1 GB may not be much, but its still something. I would much rather spend it on an RMA to add a random mark to a cub, or a Marking Remover to remove a mark to make some lion prettier... it wouldnt be worth entering if the price was 1 GB. Too expensive, for the tiny chance of winning it gives back. I am an old user with no shortage of GB, Ive just spent 700 GB+ on prizes in my art contest - I dont have trouble spending it, but only for a good cause. Throwing 1 GB away every week for a minimal chance of winning is a waste, even for me. I would rather use that said GB on a random lioness to RMA a marking onto her - AND I would have a higher chance that marking will be a rare one, than if I entered into the raffle. I never won a weekly raffle lioness but Ive gotten more than 5 Rosettes from RMAs used over the years.

50 SB is a perfectly fine price. Its small, but so is the chance of winning. Its a participation raffle rather than paid-ticket one - you can throw 50 SB in and not expect any giveback on it, but throwing GB after GB is feely. There is only one raffle lioness per week, ~ 48 per year, only around 500 been out since the creation of Lioden. No changes to how they're given out or to whom, will make it "fair", not with almost 500 000 users, it will always feel unfair to somebody - they're just too rare and too desirable to be dispersed in a way that pleases everyone. But imagine if all that time they costed GB and you never won one - spend 500 GB and never win a raffle, that is painful!



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Edited on 31/07/23 @ 14:45:34 by Mad Hyena (#29080)

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Posted on
2023-09-06 22:37:06
no support for all reasons already stated. the raffle lioness is for all dreamboats whether you've played for two weeks or two years. the issue is that the math doesn't math anymore and the raffle lioness isn't a dependable way to spread traits anymore. i don't think this would help.



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Tharkenta (#160101)


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Posted on
2023-09-06 22:44:51
No support, 1 GB is too much.
But I think I can agree with a few others here, 30 Rollovers + Dreamboat seems like a fair way to get access to the Raffle.



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IIV0I [G2|7x Ros|11x
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Posted on
2023-09-17 11:14:32
No support, because as you said yourself, “ There are several people who joined in 2014-2016 who have never won an RL, despite how many times they've entered into the raffle.” and 1 a week is far too high of a price..



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Edited on 17/09/23 @ 11:15:31 by IIV0I [G2|7x Ros|11x BO|Ferus] (#407996)

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Posted on
2023-09-17 20:02:41
No support. I've found GB to be difficult to accumulate as a casual player, and everyone deserves a chance to win the lioness. Not to mention, if the pool is much smaller, there's a much higher chance of one person winning multiple RLs.

And if a newbie screws up the lion, well, then...wasn't your lion anyways, it's fully their choice to destroy it, plus the markings will be added to the RMA pool soon anyways. I know somebody who hopes to win only to immediately strip the lion of all markings and replace em with trash ones. And honestly? I fully support them.

As an older player - harassment isn't cool and a lot of other older players need to take a chill pill. As others mentioned...its a pixel game. If your panties are in a twist cause you didn't win the pixel lion, you need to take a breather. Newer players and casual players shouldn't be punished because others can't stand losing.

I support having a minimum account age, and maybe raising the fee to 200sb MAXIMUM, but definitely not something as atrocious as 1gb.



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Edited on 17/09/23 @ 20:09:20 by Jenova :|: 3.1kstMRCinnaPrimal (#164933)

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Posted on
2023-09-17 20:17:42
@Jenova
Even a casual player can easily get GB. Take this month alone. 150jb gets you a gnawrock which for some reason is selling for around 30gb or so while in season. Tuck that away and you got 30 weeks worth of 1gb RL fees just from 1 event item. Feburary is extremely easy. Even a casual player can get hundreds of HS without trying much. The main issue just comes down to the fact folks don't want to pay 1gb for a raffle with incredibly low winning chances. Not how hard it is to make GB. Personally I find the GB issue to be an excuse. If you're a impulse buyer that's on you.



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Posted on
2023-09-17 20:19:20
Lunar -
I'm not going to spend every waking hour exploring so I can afford an event item when I could also be doing literally anything else. Especially with the dismal drop rate this month. And trust me, I'm far from an impulse buyer, my pride (and items) are as dismal as the JB drop rate 🙃



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Posted on
2023-09-17 20:27:47
The impulse part was in general and not towards you personally. My apologies if it seemed otherwise. Not even I am on here 24/7. I actually only roll my side once a week and I don't get on Lioden at all at least 2 times a week. You're telling me you can't make 150jb minimum within this month?



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IIV0I [G2|7x Ros|11x
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2023-09-17 20:29:41
@LunarKnight
As someone who makes a minimum of 300-400 a month, even I think 1 is way too high, not just cause its pricey, but for the numerous other reasons people listed. For instance, richer players having a higher chance and therefore making the raffle unfair.



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Edited on 17/09/23 @ 20:31:30 by IIV0I [G2|7x Ros|11x BO|Ferus] (#407996)

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Posted on
2023-09-17 20:32:21
No support for reasons already stated.



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Posted on
2023-09-17 20:34:25
Lunar -
While I've been rolling daily, my energy largely goes towards breeding and exp-based encounters. If I'm saving for any items, it's for my own usage on personal projects. But because I'm not hunting for JB, I mean, hell, my dwarves have been frozen for over a year on my side because I can't afford to breed em. And most of my food gets consumed by my pride because I'd rather they eat every RO. Happy pride, happy me. But I'm largely here for the community and the forums, not the events. And plenty of other players are casual like that as well, keep that in mind. I mean, the hide event button exists, it's fair to assume there's therefore folks using it, yeah?



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