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| Posted by | Give our Kings a Queen |
 Garet (#19860) King of the Jungle View Forum Posts  Posted on 2013-11-24 04:29:46 |
Since we do have one dominant male, why not have one dominant female as well? Asiatic lions have female-run prides, and within African prides, there are dominant females. It'd still be realistic, even moreso than what we have now. I've got a few ideas that might make her useful, rather than 'just a pretty lioness we can't chase'; Our Queen would be locked to our accounts and be given her own slot. The Queen wouldn't take up a territory slot, and like our Kings, we could only have one Queen per pride. It should cost the same to retire her as it would a King, and she would not run off if too hungry or bored. Yes, you will have to play with and feed your Queen. Like Kings, we would be able to chose an heir for her when retiring or when she comes of age. We would be able to chose to keep her looks or use those of the new Queen. Thus, we could customize her or her heir and keep that look for as long as we want to. Unlike other females, the Queen wouldn't go hunting. She would have a different way of gaining stats. The Queen would be in charge of domestic-related issues. Teaching cubs /adolescents to hunt, fending off males/females at our borders, the likes. Each hour, we could chose to have her perform one of these duties and gain stats/exp. The former would also have a small chance of giving cubs stats, along with a slightly higher chance of giving the Queen stats. The Queen would only be able to take up to five cubs/adolescents under her wing at a time. She would be able to breed as well, but I think a cub with a Queen should get slightly higher stats. Nothing insane like +50 in all stats, but something small, like +1-5 across the boards. Edit: Like people have mentioned, this should be optional, like with submales. That way people wouldn't have to necessarily get one if they don't want one. |
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Garet (#19860)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-11-26 06:03:58 |
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MysticSky (#10364)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-11-26 06:16:57 |
Id rather be able to chose a lioness I already have. Iv aged out both of my boys so starting with a wild colored lioness would be piontless for me but I like most of this idea If we could make this optioanl like sub malesi think it would make people happier and chosing a queen rather than auto assign would be best  0 players like this post! Like? |
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QUEEN CHURRO (#19782)
Merciful View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-11-26 06:18:41 |
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mythh {side} (#20267)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-11-26 06:44:23 |
Although I like this idea, I don't support it because of Laszlo's terms. He has a good point - lion prides only have that main male. They don't have a 'dominant' female. Another gaming style would be that if a new male steps up, then the new male kills all the cubs. That's what happens in prides, right? Not everyone agrees with that. I do like the idea, but you don't have my support. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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⫷ Reviro ⫸ (#18282)
Lone Wanderer View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-11-26 06:50:01 |
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Rhaenys (#19756)
Champion View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-11-26 06:52:43 |
I'm not sure about this. I do remember watching a documentary about one pride and the male clearly had a favourite female and she dominated the other lionesses. But I'm not sure how common this is or if it was just the one weird case. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Chris (#21816)
Mean View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-11-26 07:47:01 |
Not too sure if I would like to support or not...this game is realistic related I wouldn't want it to bung off and head onto another road. Of course yes there is a much more appreciated lioness in the pride but not exactly a "queen" I do have my own queen but I place her as my favorite lioness (Out of the only 2 I have) 50/50 I guess.... 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Lissekatze (#13980)
Amiable View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-11-26 08:27:24 |
i was allways thinking that game should be a semi-realistic RPG-like-Game ôO Have i miss something or am i wrong? So, why you talking about it should be realistic or the idea is not realistic (and so on). And i think you should give better arguments then "its not realistic". Gosh, its a game. If you want it realy realistic it should be more kills here. More Cubs dying AFTER they born. Pregnant Lionesses that dont have cubs (or dead cubs) start from first day. If the cubs are alone or the adols the should be hyenas and other lions that can kill them and your lion wouldnt even know about that. And wait. Whats about the other liones? We are able to "kill cubs" in explore. Why arent here any other males that do the same to OUR cubs? I like the idea and i support this. =) All the ideas about that she is not hunting, but teach the adols and the cubs. And dominate the others. But ... you choose you're own lioness, right? THats great. But when it comes (hopefully) the charakter-system for the girls, then the strongest and dominatest lioness would be the queen? or not? =) 0 players like this post! Like? |
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RibKadora((CK)) (#13650)
Devastator View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-11-26 08:29:40 |
To support or not to support hmm....I like the ideas but you would be able to choose your queen right?o3o 0 players like this post! Like? |
Blackthorn (#5838)
Lone Wanderer View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-11-26 08:40:54 |
I like this idea, but I'm gonna have to say no support. Not everyone has a queen, nor even give their lionesses ranks. To some, their lionesses are just lionesses. Where I personally do rank my lionesses and have a queen, I'm not a fan of ideas that force people to play a certain way. If you like realism, just use the stuff that is realistic, if you don't, then do what you want. If you like having a queen, then have one, if not, don't. The only way I would support this is if it was an optional thing, like sub males. You can have one if you want to, but it wouldn't be a huge problem if you didn't. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Garet (#19860)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-11-26 14:30:03 |
Yeah, I don't really get the 'it's not realistic' argument myself. Prides do have dominant females. If you look up the Ngamo pride, you can find evidence of this sort of hierarchical structure within the pride. The battle for alpha female; Ashanti vs Phyre is the post you're looking for. It documents the social interactions between dominant and non dominant female lionesses within a single pride during the time where a different female is taking over. And besides that, it's kinda pointless to argue realism in a game where your lion can take over the appearance of a dead king despite having completely different pelt colors. I've changed the first post, though. Mentioned it being optional to have and that we should chose our female instead of starting out with one we might not want as queen. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Axel (#6627)
Pervert View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-11-26 21:08:39 |
I still think that it might be unfair towards people who might not want to choose a queen. because of this trait: Teaching cubs /adolescents to hunt, fending off males/females at our borders, the likes. Each hour, we could chose to have her perform one of these duties and gain stats/exp. The former would also have a small chance of giving cubs stats... Which means, that each hour she could play with the cubs and raise their stats. In this case it would give too great of an advantage, even if you lower the chance to the rate of the toys. And if you take this trait out, then in my opinion there is no reason for the developers to give themselves extra work to make a slot like this. I also have trouble seeing a female doing the work of the male, so chasing off enemies. She doesnt have a chance alone against a clan of hyenas, they arent afraid of female lions, neither would she win against enemy lions. And if you give her this ability, then a question: What will your main male lion do if she is protecting the pride? And if she is patrolling then what will the submale do? Choosing a submale is different. They dont have an impact on the pride while they are around, the effect of their training depends on the amount you work with them, and only their stats are increased. Nothing more. All in all, all player styles should be respected in a game like this. If you want a queen, then name a lioness a queen and pretend that when you are interacting with the cubs and other lions, it isnt your male but your queen doing it. Roleplay it. While others, who dont want a queen wont be at a disadvantage. Fair and simple in my opinion. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Lissekatze (#13980)
Amiable View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-11-26 21:39:38 |
who was saying the female chase off the enemies? For this are the subs, or not? =) And with the subs its the same, they can raise up their stats to every hour. And it IS the same with the subs. You can choose not to have one, but then you have a young cub that have a little lower stats, then it could be. So, i think its a good idea that the "queen" is the one who can play with the cubs and adols. And maybe she CAN go on a hunt, but until her (?) she have a view adols, and the stats of THEM can maybe raise? =) Would be nice i think. You must not do this, sure. But you also dont need to have 40 Slots for females and you dont need to have two (or more) submales. So ... this arguments lacks too xD 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Axel (#6627)
Pervert View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-11-26 23:19:23 |
Ehm. No. Submales dont have an actual impact on the pride itself. Yes, they gain stats every hour if you send them to patrol, however those stats have no impact whatsoever on the current gameplay. Only then does it change your gameplay once you release him from the submale status and he becomes your main male. However, at that time he already loses the hourly stat gain chance. A Queen however would basically change the gameplay and give advantage from the beginning. The stat gain wouldnt just affect her, but cubs as well, raising not just hers but the cubs' and adols' stats as well. Hourly. Thus, giving advantage to those who choose a Queen. So all in all in short the difference between submale and Queen: 1. Submale gains stats only for himself and has no impact upon the pride. 2. Queen would not only gain stats herself but also give stats to cubs and adolescents. who was saying the female chase off the enemies? Right here: "Unlike other females, the Queen wouldn't go hunting. She would have a different way of gaining stats. The Queen would be in charge of domestic-related issues. Teaching cubs /adolescents to hunt, fending off males/females at our borders, the likes." Right from the first post. Not only would she have absolutely no chance against male lions, but if she also chases off the female lions from the territory...... then what NCLs will your lion claim? o.O 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 27/11/13 by Axel (#6627) |
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Garet (#19860)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-11-28 03:50:45 |
What's wrong with changing the gameplay up a little? People who chose to go hunting with their lionesses have an advantage over other prides, and submales DO have an impact. If you send submales out patrolling, you gain items/food that are statboosters, raise a stronger male for your pride and make money by selling whatever he finds that you don't. If the chance for her to pass on stats to the cubs is low, it shouldn't be too game-breaking. Like maybe a 5-10% chance of the cubs getting a stat while her chances of gaining them are equal to hunting females and we wouldn't see cubs with a billion stats. That's equal to or less than the chance of them getting a stat from all foods save for turtles. I mean cubs and adolescents are pretty much just taking up space doing nothing. And she would have a chance, so long as she doesn't run into two adult males. Females will fight male lions that she sees as a threat to her cubs. A loner lion would be a threat. And usually, lone male lions are not well-fed. As for what NCLs your male lion will find, he'll still find them. You still encounter random male lions on explore even if you send a submale patrolling. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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