Posted by -ADDED TO THE GAME-Reverse studding ~ Making it reliable

xXDruidXx (#74535)

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2017-02-23 07:54:19
Okay so it's come to my attention that not all of the reverse studders stick to their word and end up keeping the cubs if it is proven to be a dwarf or leopon etc. Which in my opinion seems very scam-like. As if no mutie is produce they earn 50-100gb of stuff, if a mutie is produced then they send the items back and come up with an excuse to keep the cub. With the current rules admins and mods won't do anything about this themselves, except possibly ban a scammer, but it's not their job to return lions etc! Which I understand completely, I wouldn't want to have to deal with stuff like that either XD

I'm certainly not saying every studder is like this, some of them are awesome and completely reliable <3 But unfortunately not all are!

My suggestion is that there is a more formal way of reverse studding! How? I'll use a leopon as an example.
.There would be a way to put your 'pon up for stud as a female lioness. She will be put up and like a trade, there will be a buyout and ways to offer items etc!
.The payment will only be made once she get's pregnant to prevent paying for nothing XD The payer will choose the stud from a list, or use their own king.
.Once the leopon is pregnant, the lioness can't be traded, sold etc, she must stay on that persons account, like how cooldowns work, but for a longer time!
.The cubs she gives birth to can't be sold/chased and they must stay on the account until they're old enough to leave the mother.
.When the cubs are old enough they will be automatically sent over to the person who paid.

I am definitely not saying that's how it should be done! So don't "no support" due to that, instead suggest your ideas on how this would work ^-^ I am no professional coder, so don't expect me to know how easy this would be!
Please suggest ideas and give your support! It greatly help those who want to reverse breed but have been scammed in the past or are two nervous to reverse breed due to unreliability!
Don't say things like this don't happen, they do and it happened to a friend of mine!

Thank you ^-^

Suggestions ~
Mish 🐾 (#82643) ~ What if instead of making it so they couldn't be chased or moved from the account during the five days of nursing, it was possible to transfer them earlier to *only* the reverse studee with the requirement of having the nursing cub protected by a broodmother (to function somewhat as a "wet nurse", so to speak.)
^^ That would prevent the studder neglecting the cubs, by not protecting them etc!

The owner of the stud would decide how many cubs the payer can choose out of, when they're born the buyer would pick their favourite cub, the rest would belong to the owner of the stud. So if something like two leopon cubs occurred, the stud owner doesn't have to give them both!

Studding weekly limits, like kings have now.


Most of the arguments made for problems, already exist, please. If you have no experiance in 'pon breeding what so ever don't make an argument about 'pon breeding. Also, don't make arguments for things that already happen. Instead, suggest ways these problems could also be stopped!



This suggestion has 171 supports and 29 NO supports.



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Edited on 24/02/17 @ 03:17:07 by xXDruidXx (#74535)

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2017-02-23 08:44:16
I'm kind of conflicted; I don't breed for mutations, but I know a lot of people who do and that reverse studding scams are a huge problem among them.

It's especially understandable in the case of really rare mutations like leopons, where everyone wants one so bad that they're willing to overlook the inherent riskiness of promise-based transactions.

However, I think that allowing any female lion to be studded would defeat the purpose of kings. It would be a better idea if players could buy reverse studding slots for GB, or if there was an item in the Oasis that allowed for a female to be reverse studded.

(I also support Mish's suggestion.)



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xXDruidXx (#74535)

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2017-02-23 08:49:13
I see what you mean Puurfect ^^ But it would still only be malexfemale breeding so kings are still valid for sure XD and I was thinking it'd only be muties who could be put up but I'm not 100% sure!



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Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)

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2017-02-23 08:51:09
Any female lion can already technically be studded, especially now that threads on reverse studding aren't deleted. It's more a matter of having a lioness that someone would want to reverse stud.

But yeah, if it were a supported in-game feature, it should have a limit just like male studdings. Maybe give out one free, make the rest cost GB. Or make it an Oasis item with either a prohibitive cost or a weekly limit on purchases.



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xXDruidXx (#74535)

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2017-02-23 08:56:12
I know of a few that have been deleted! My friend got cheated out of a 'pon from a deleted thread and when they contacted admins they said they couldn't do anything about it

Well there would definitely be a limit! I mean the females will still have breeding cooldowns as she would anyway!



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Mish 🐾 [G1 Primal
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2017-02-23 08:58:11
If I may jump in again! ^^

Due to breedin cooldowns, I'm not sure if real restrictions would be needed? o: They'd already have to wait awhile til that particular lioness is able to be bred again.

The GB / Oasis idea seems pretty nifty to me!



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xXDruidXx (#74535)

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2017-02-23 09:00:20
Mish, that's what I was saying about the cooldowns!

I think the gb/oasis idea is good, but would it be much use or just kinda in the way XD I mean you pay a few gb to breed something that costs 100gbs anyways!



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xXDruidXx (#74535)

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2017-02-23 09:13:00
I still don't understand why there are "Don't supports" unless you're one of those who try trick people into unreliable reverse breeding :/
Please could someone explain why so I can improve the suggestion!



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Mish 🐾 [G1 Primal
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2017-02-23 09:20:25
That's true! I often forget just how pricey pons are.. Maybe someone who breeds them could shed some further insight on how they think it'd work out?

I imagine it's possible there's No Supports due to the idea that it's possible they don't believe it should be necessary to implement! Or that it'd devalue.. Something? Or maybe the specifics of it seem complicated xDD I dunno, really, but I doubt it's because they're scammers! (Or at least, I'd hope, anyway xD)



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FelixVulpes #Gaggle (#6196)

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2017-02-23 09:21:43
I'm not going to support or not support for the time being because this is a complicated idea

firstly I'm not sure how they'd manage a stud list kind of thing so I can only see it working with the studders own king



my main point though XD there are a lot of people who say if there's by good luck a second mutated cub they get to keep it as payment, how would this system work with that? because then potentially the person paying won't give the cub back as agreed claiming they should keep all of it

long story short there are some problems with both ways of breeding XD



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xXDruidXx (#74535)

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2017-02-23 09:22:51
Mish, maybe, but as I said I'd like them to let me know why so it can be improved, but they're all avoiding answering it XD



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Mish 🐾 [G1 Primal
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2017-02-23 09:25:54
@Felix
I've seen that before! I don't know if that could be implemented, though. Maybe they'd end up jacking the price up as a result.. But at least it'd be secure?

I guess my main point is I'd prefer safety even if it meant simplification of finer details ;;

Maybe there is actually a way to code it like that, though! o:



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xXDruidXx (#74535)

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2017-02-23 09:26:10
Felix, the breeding would work as the entire litter belongs to the buyer! If they want to buy anything back after then it's up to them!

For the list thing, I was thinking that you'd only be able to use your king, or there would be a bar next to the studding where you'd search for the stud and select the stud, they'd have to pay the stud fee too! ^-^



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xXDruidXx (#74535)

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2017-02-23 09:27:37
Or maybe there's a way to code it so the female stud owner can allow the other user to only pick one cub, two cubs etc from the litter! The one paying for the stud would get first pick, the studs owner would keep the rest ^-^



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FelixVulpes #Gaggle (#6196)

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2017-02-23 09:30:56
perhaps you could have an option to sell a single cub from a litter for those sort of reverse studding deals, the buyer could pick their favourite and then the rest of the cubs would become 'unlocked' and able to trade/sell as normal



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FelixVulpes #Gaggle (#6196)

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2017-02-23 09:31:27
XD yes what you typed



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